> there are legitimate instances where shame is deserved Can you elaborate?
Legitimate shame is a pro-social emotion against breaking purity codes. For a child this could be around cleanliness (“don’t defecate on anywhere other than allowed places”, “don’t fart while eating”), boundaries (“don’t show your genitals to others”, “don’t touch other people’s genitals”, “don’t spit on other people”) but also more complex social interactions (“don’t steal other people’s stuff”, “don’t punch your fr…
Hmm. So, on the opposite end from the extremities of ostracism and abandonment, what are some ways that shame can be legitimately utilized in more minimal manner, in your view?
It isn't in the hands of the former and is actively filtered and modified by the latter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klayman_v._Obama
The phone metadata collection in the first suit stopped. The alleged collection of Americans' data in the second suit doesn't actually occur, and since the plaintiffs were American, the plaintiffs did not have standing.
Did you mean to post a link that disputes your earlier claim?
It's a troll! An infamous Slashdot/Usenet one at that, which in the day raised the hackles of many a * nix folk: Adequacy first gained widespread Internet notoriety after the December 2, 2001 publication of a story entitled "Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?" The story was engineered to raise the hackles of as wide a swath of the Internet geek community as possible; it lampooned such topics as the Linux operating system…
Shitposting / copypasta made Slashdot suck. Let's strive to follow the site guidelines which are geared at making HN better than Slashdot ever was.
I dunno. You might be right, but another thing about that is whereas Slashdot had a moderation system that enabled voting along a dimension such as "funny", "interesting", or "insightful", I believe that a +1 Funny rating didn't actually boost your karma. So in theory you get something that is less inundated by sarcastic circle jerks of in-jokes than Reddit but less sterile and devoid of humor than hacker news. The no-nonsense attitude of frowning upon humorous mischief and misdirection is one of the first things that I noticed about this site, and, which while superficially appears to raise the level of discourse, I think is a sign of weakness, since a community that can't tolerate jokes isn't really a community at all. In fact at very least it goes against the ethos of computing, which always had an element of mischief and clever pranks. Look at the culture of the MIT AI lab or, well, Slashdot and its ilk to see the contrast.
Shitposting / copypasta made Slashdot suck. Let's strive to follow the site guidelines which are geared at making HN better than Slashdot ever was.
I dunno. You might be right, but another thing about that is whereas Slashdot had a moderation system that enabled voting along a dimension such as "funny", "interesting", or "insightful", I believe that a +1 Funny rating didn't actually boost your karma. So in theory you get something that is less inundated by sarcastic circle jerks of in-jokes than Reddit but less sterile and devoid of humor than hacker news. The n…
Copypasta isn't a clever prank, though, it's banal and derivative. Trolling sucks, please quit it. I say funny stuff on HN all the time. I aim to keep it 100% original, and mixed in with relevant and topical discussion, and I rarely get downvoted for making jokes in that context.
Legitimate shame is a pro-social emotion against breaking purity codes. For a child this could be around cleanliness (“don’t defecate on anywhere other than allowed places”, “don’t fart while eating”), boundaries (“don’t show your genitals to others”, “don’t touch other people’s genitals”, “don’t spit on other people”) but also more complex social interactions (“don’t steal other people’s stuff”, “don’t punch your fr…
Hmm. So, on the opposite end from the extremities of ostracism and abandonment, what are some ways that shame can be legitimately utilized in more minimal manner, in your view?
I’ve just enumerated the use cases. For them, a simple “That is not appropriate” or “Imagine what would others think of you” would be examples to shame based instruction. It is perfectly OK to invoke the fear of a loss in social connection if certain rules are broken, that is one of the ways we maintain social cohesion as desiring, driven, id-possesing beings. In contrast, toxic shame is using this machinery willy nilly anytime we demand cooperation as parents or peers.
It's not about having opinions, it's about spending energy arguing about them. Everyone has opinions, but they're not going to go to war about ice cream flavors, nor should they. It's worth going to war with people who think keeping slaves is okay. It's not worth going to war over which brand of phone people use. Overzealous tribalism can lead to otherizing and dehumanizing and all sorts of terrible things. Let's sav…
You're comparing the civil war to people texting each other on social media. Nobody has ever gone to actual war over personal opinions about cars, phones or computers.
People routinely destroy cities when sports teams win or lose. Get in brawls because someone is wearing the wrong color. The list goes on. Of course it's not the same, but the kernel of otherizing remains.
AIM did more for my typing skills than any of my middle school “keyboarding” classes. a s d f j k l ; Who decided typing that on loop is how you learn to touch type?
In my case, gaming taught me to type quickly, and keyboarding class taught me to type well. That being said, my keyboarding class included copying out bodies of text as well, not just patterns on loop (There certainly was that though).
Mario Teaches Typing on win 3.11 or DOS (can't recall which). It looked like a Mario game but progress was controlled by typing correctly.
I dunno. You might be right, but another thing about that is whereas Slashdot had a moderation system that enabled voting along a dimension such as "funny", "interesting", or "insightful", I believe that a +1 Funny rating didn't actually boost your karma. So in theory you get something that is less inundated by sarcastic circle jerks of in-jokes than Reddit but less sterile and devoid of humor than hacker news. The n…
Copypasta isn't a clever prank, though, it's banal and derivative. Trolling sucks, please quit it. I say funny stuff on HN all the time. I aim to keep it 100% original, and mixed in with relevant and topical discussion, and I rarely get downvoted for making jokes in that context.
I dunno. What I posted was a reference to a 20 year old in-joke that poked fun at GP for (in the eyes of his father) conforming to a humorously incorrect cliche of a "computer hacker", that anyone who frequented Slashdot would have been amused to come across again. It's more of a reference than derivative "copypasta".
That all said, I totally get that this kind of thing doesn't mesh with what Hacker News seems to strive for, although in my personal opinion it's worse for it.
Copypasta isn't a clever prank, though, it's banal and derivative. Trolling sucks, please quit it. I say funny stuff on HN all the time. I aim to keep it 100% original, and mixed in with relevant and topical discussion, and I rarely get downvoted for making jokes in that context.
I dunno. What I posted was a reference to a 20 year old in-joke that poked fun at GP for (in the eyes of his father) conforming to a humorously incorrect cliche of a "computer hacker", that anyone who frequented Slashdot would have been amused to come across again. It's more of a reference than derivative "copypasta". That all said, I totally get that this kind of thing doesn't mesh with what Hacker News seems to str…
"His" father? Nooope, try again. Or, don't? You don't seem to fit the culture.
I dunno. What I posted was a reference to a 20 year old in-joke that poked fun at GP for (in the eyes of his father) conforming to a humorously incorrect cliche of a "computer hacker", that anyone who frequented Slashdot would have been amused to come across again. It's more of a reference than derivative "copypasta". That all said, I totally get that this kind of thing doesn't mesh with what Hacker News seems to str…
"His" father? Nooope, try again. Or, don't? You don't seem to fit the culture.
Hm. I've still had trouble integrated gender-neutral pronouns into my brain (for years and years I had been taught that "their" was strictly plural).
Believe me when I say I meant nothing by inserting a default gender. If nothing else I was projecting myself into your situation. I honestly am sorry for the mistake.