Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
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Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#2Probably a crazy unpopular opinion, but I kind of agree with the Hyperbola (GNU / formerly Linux-libre, in future using a fork of the OpenBSD kernel https://itsfoss.com/hyperbola-linux-bsd/) devs that Rust in Linux is not necessarily a good thing, for the reasons they mentioned when they announced they were switching kernels (https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-road...) (Edit: and the LLVM dependency).
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#3Looks like there is a lot of work involved to have anything done, remind me the issues that the Chrome team said 2 weeks ago.
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#4Probably a crazy unpopular opinion, but I kind of agree with the Hyperbola (GNU / formerly Linux-libre, in future using a fork of the OpenBSD kernel https://itsfoss.com/hyperbola-linux-bsd/ ) devs that Rust in Linux is not necessarily a good thing, for the reasons they mentioned when they announced they were switching kernels ( https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-road... ) (Edit: and the LLVM depe…
I don’t see how that conplaint is at all meaningful to kernel development.
It’s typical GNU/Pendantry.
The kernel will not be shipping a rust compiler, patched or otherwise.
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#5Probably a crazy unpopular opinion, but I kind of agree with the Hyperbola (GNU / formerly Linux-libre, in future using a fork of the OpenBSD kernel https://itsfoss.com/hyperbola-linux-bsd/ ) devs that Rust in Linux is not necessarily a good thing, for the reasons they mentioned when they announced they were switching kernels ( https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-road... ) (Edit: and the LLVM depe…
If I'm understanding correctly, the only reason for not using Rust is... Rust is trademarked?
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#6Probably a crazy unpopular opinion, but I kind of agree with the Hyperbola (GNU / formerly Linux-libre, in future using a fork of the OpenBSD kernel https://itsfoss.com/hyperbola-linux-bsd/ ) devs that Rust in Linux is not necessarily a good thing, for the reasons they mentioned when they announced they were switching kernels ( https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-road... ) (Edit: and the LLVM depe…
I don’t see how that conplaint is at all meaningful to kernel development. It’s typical GNU/Pendantry. The kernel will not be shipping a rust compiler, patched or otherwise.
The article mentions possible ABI compatibility challenges and I also think it’s not a good thing for a language in such critical applications to only have a single major implementation.
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#7Probably a crazy unpopular opinion, but I kind of agree with the Hyperbola (GNU / formerly Linux-libre, in future using a fork of the OpenBSD kernel https://itsfoss.com/hyperbola-linux-bsd/ ) devs that Rust in Linux is not necessarily a good thing, for the reasons they mentioned when they announced they were switching kernels ( https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-road... ) (Edit: and the LLVM depe…
Maybe a GNU Rust compiler without the trademark is in order? The state of KSPP is not nice as well. I wish Ada was more popular. From what I know, it has much of the security guarantees rust has and it has been battle tested.
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t see how that conplaint is at all meaningful to kernel development. It’s typical GNU/Pendantry. The kernel will not be shipping a rust compiler, patched or otherwise.
The article mentions possible ABI compatibility challenges and I also think it’s not a good thing for a language in such critical applications to only have a single major implementation.
The linux kernel still can only be compiled with GCC. Of course, it's a single patch away from clang compatibility, but the kernel has never been compilable with much else but GCC.
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#9One of the challenges to building an entirely new kernel is the vast amount of hardware support in the form of drivers and the features the existing kernel exports to userland in the form of syscalls.
Would it be possible for a hypothetical new kernel, presumably written in Rust, to run an existing kernel such as Linux in a VM, just to tap into its drivers and emulate its syscalls? As more drivers are ported to the base kernel, the reliance on the donor kernel would shrink over time.
Edit: This was an aside. Of course I realize that the conference was about adding Rust code to the Linux kernel, and not about rewriting any large, important, and functional codebase in language-of-the-day™. Hence my speculative language: "hypothetical" new kernel, "presumably" written in Rust.
Re: Supporting Linux kernel development in Rust
#10Probably a crazy unpopular opinion, but I kind of agree with the Hyperbola (GNU / formerly Linux-libre, in future using a fork of the OpenBSD kernel https://itsfoss.com/hyperbola-linux-bsd/ ) devs that Rust in Linux is not necessarily a good thing, for the reasons they mentioned when they announced they were switching kernels ( https://www.hyperbola.info/news/announcing-hyperbolabsd-road... ) (Edit: and the LLVM depe…
Maybe a GNU Rust compiler without the trademark is in order? The state of KSPP is not nice as well. I wish Ada was more popular. From what I know, it has much of the security guarantees rust has and it has been battle tested.
I'm not sure, but aren't they saying that they wouldn't be able to call it "GNU Rust" [1] in the same way they can't call IceCat "GNU Firefox"?
1. https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:rusts_freedo...