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Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by ncmncm »

cookiengineer wrote: post #108
josteink wrote: post #41

I pre-ordered the PmOS community edition, and it's getting delivered tomorrow. From what I can tell, this is the same HW, but without a different distro pre-loaded. I'm super-stoked to try out the different distros, and will definitely give Manjaro a shot too :)

> I pre-ordered the PmOS community edition, and it's getting delivered tomorrow. How did you get notified? I didn't receive any email since my purchase (I only have the receipt). Contacted sales@pine64 and opened up a support ticket, but haven't got any replies from them.

You get an SMS from DHL identifying Syabas Tech as the shipper. (This is a different Syabas from the one that manages tap water in Malaysia.)

Anyway I did.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by ncmncm »

deepstack wrote: post #29
candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

It really comes down to installers with proprietary firmware blobs that you need to install on laptops.

Debian's download page makes it hard to find the images with the non-free bits. They're there, though, if you dig just a bit.

Then, on laptops that have both Intel and Nvidia graphics hardware, for some reason the installers insist on loading both the i915 and nouveau kernel modules, which then fight over the console. (I asked over at the nouveau IRC, and they said a one-liner patch would fix that, still after all these years.) So, you add "nouveau.modeset=0" to the boot line on those laptops.

Finally, there is the confusion over the name "unstable", which is what people using Debian run, at least for the parts that need to be up to date, like browsers, media players (mpv), and firmware.

But the experience once you have got set up is better than on Ubuntu.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by unixhero »

brtln wrote: post #73
MayeulC wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every time the Pine64/Pinephone stuff gets mentioned You probably mean Manjaro/Pinephone or something like this, I initially thought you equated Pinephone with Manjaro. (hint for others: it is not, there are a various other compatible distros). I agree that Arch Arm upstream does a pretty good job, though that packaging job is 70% orthogonal to, say, alpine+postmarketos packaging :)

I believe postmarketOS team closely collaborates with Alpine. It cannot be said about Manjaro, neither in relation to Arch or Arch ARM.

Manjaro is downstream from Arch.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by msla »

deepstack wrote: post #29
candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

Because coming from Slackware and OpenBSD, Debian's install process was too big of a pain to deal with.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by freedomben »

bwanab wrote: post #104
deepstack wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

In 2006, I had a brand new asus laptop. I first tried To install Debian. Then I tried Fedora, or Redhat, I don’t remember when that split was. My next try was Ubuntu, which went without a hitch. Since it’s always worked for me, I’ve stuck with it. This was after several years of running Redhat, Suse and Debian on desktops, so I wasn’t a newbie.

I had a similar experience, although I went back to Fedora around 2013 and was amazed at how good it has gotten. If you're happy then no reason to change, but if you are mad about Snap or any of the other issues of the day, give Fedora another try. It's really great at the "just works" these days while still staying super fresh.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by genghizkhan »

monoideism wrote: post #77
deepstack wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

> In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? Debian is great. I particularly respect Debian as an organization. On my home laptop, I've used Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc etc. But on my work computer, I've always used Ubuntu (or sometimes MacOS), because: - I prefer Ubuntu LTS to Debian's testing/stable approach. - Lots of other devs use Ubuntu, so instructions are often focused on the dis…

> I prefer Ubuntu LTS to Debian's testing/stable approach.

May I ask why?

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by sloshnmosh »

joecool1029 wrote: post #27
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #7

Can someone help me understand the relationship between phone hardware and carriers in the US? I recently bought a new, unlocked Samsung phone on Amazon. When I put a Verizon SIM card into it, a Verizon-specific firmware module got added. I don't understand why that would be necessary. Asking because I'm attracted to the idea of a phone I truly control, but not sure what that means for carrier compatibility.

T-Mobile and Verizon should allow any modern device. Verizon used to need a activation conponent for the CDMA radio but modern devices just use LTE and voLTE. They did have a visual voicemail blob that used to be pulled in, but now they follow spec and don't require anything special. Sprint (which is now T-Mobile) has required an activation app for their CDMA devices called SprintDM. Without it, phone will not activa…

This is the correct answer as I can attest to one of my phones pulling down a visual voicemail blob and also a problem I had with a Sprint based CDMA device that was running Lineage OS that lost cell connection and I could not get it back without flashing back to the original ROM. (Thanks for posting this @joecool1029 and confirming what I was witnessing)

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by sloshnmosh »

jbj wrote: post #14
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #7

Can someone help me understand the relationship between phone hardware and carriers in the US? I recently bought a new, unlocked Samsung phone on Amazon. When I put a Verizon SIM card into it, a Verizon-specific firmware module got added. I don't understand why that would be necessary. Asking because I'm attracted to the idea of a phone I truly control, but not sure what that means for carrier compatibility.

I used 3 different unlocked phones in US, as for US sim cards, I used MetroPCS, T-mobile, and Cricket, non of those added anything, althought their respective websites told me about an app they strongly reccomended. Only trace was the Sim card toolkit menu which was diaplayed for whatever inserted sim card, but I never used any of those.

Depending on the device you are using you might not have noticed.

I used WireShark on a hotspot that my unlocked IPhone was using and captured the visual voicemail blob used by Cricket/AT&T just last week.

Also, the SIM card toolkit can be used remotely by your provider. Lookup SimBad exploit

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by klerpi »

MayeulC wrote: post #67
squeezingswirls wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you running Android in your device? Maybe you could give https://doc.e.foundation/devices/jfltexx/ a try if you want a more private experience.

Or regular upstream https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/jfltexx/ Not sure how /e/ is supposed to be more private yet less open? I'm using my i9506 (ks01lte) as a daily driver, though I think I'll switch to a i9505 because it has official lineageos support, which means probably less weird SD card bugs.

Support for my phone got dropped :(

I wish I could install it on my mi a1

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