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Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by Wheaties466 »

ohazi wrote: post #51
candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

Not having used Manjaro personally, what's the advantage here? My impression was that it was essentially Arch with a user friendly installer and possibly some nicer defaults. This seems desirable if you're setting up a PC, but is there really added value there if you're building a ROM image for a phone? It seems like you'd be doing a ton of manual installing and configuring anyway, since it's such an unusual target c…

I have used manjaro on my personal laptop for the past 4+ years and I share the same sentiment. Great for a computer but I'm not sure what value is added on the pine phone.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

slantyyz wrote: post #54

Does anyone know if you can heavily customize the user interface of the PinePhone? The reason why I'm asking is that I have yet to find a feature phone or smartphone that my father (in his 80s) can use. He basically doesn't want to learn new things, and he's more interested in learning/memorizing repeatable steps than intuiting how to do things by reading text on the screen. All he needs is the ability to make/receiv…

Why a smartphone? A Nokia 101 (or whichever model above it which has Bluetooth) seems like a much better fit.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by brtln »

MayeulC wrote: post #65
Foxboron wrote: post #13

Every time the Pine64/Pinephone stuff gets mentioned I go looking for the Arch Linux ARM project mentions, and donation links. Previously they just avoid mentioning this, but most of the Manjaro ARM stuff couldn't happen without the tireless work of the Arch ARM developers. I've had to repeatedly mention they shouldn't remove attribution from PKGBUILDs they take from Arch ARM. https://gitlab.manjaro.org/manjaro-arm/p…

> Every time the Pine64/Pinephone stuff gets mentioned You probably mean Manjaro/Pinephone or something like this, I initially thought you equated Pinephone with Manjaro. (hint for others: it is not, there are a various other compatible distros). I agree that Arch Arm upstream does a pretty good job, though that packaging job is 70% orthogonal to, say, alpine+postmarketos packaging :)

I believe postmarketOS team closely collaborates with Alpine. It cannot be said about Manjaro, neither in relation to Arch or Arch ARM.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

blendergeek wrote: post #46
yearoflinux wrote: post #28

As someone who has always made fun of "year of linux on desktop", I want to say this move will finally pave a way for the next decade to end with "year of linux on mobile". Using a popular distro will be the push linux needed on phone. While Manjaro users themselves (IMHO) aren't really developers, this is gateway to get Arch people involved. Arch is a very vibrant community with a lot of people who try to contribute…

> (PS: I know supremacists will claim Android is linux but the thing about supremacists is they no real ideals so they will ignore how close Android is) That Android contains the Linux (R) kernel is no mere "claim", rather it is the truth. Also, obviously, Android is not what anyone was thinking of when they say "Linux". This confusion stems from people using the term "Linux" both to refer to a kernel (the original a…

Precisely; Android is a perfect example of why it's meaningful to call it GNU+Linux, because Android+Linux and busybox+Linux (Alpine and some embedded systems) are real things that are really Linux systems, but the userland is actually a pretty big deal.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by monoideism »

slantyyz wrote: post #54

Does anyone know if you can heavily customize the user interface of the PinePhone? The reason why I'm asking is that I have yet to find a feature phone or smartphone that my father (in his 80s) can use. He basically doesn't want to learn new things, and he's more interested in learning/memorizing repeatable steps than intuiting how to do things by reading text on the screen. All he needs is the ability to make/receiv…

Sounds like a feature phone would be a much better fit for him than a smartphone. Maybe pick out 2-3 to look at and have him choose one. Bonus is they're much cheaper.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by m463 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

Isn't arch on arm a different group? I know their website doesn't work without talking to google.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by monoideism »

deepstack wrote: post #29
candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

> In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why?

Debian is great. I particularly respect Debian as an organization. On my home laptop, I've used Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc etc.

But on my work computer, I've always used Ubuntu (or sometimes MacOS), because:

- I prefer Ubuntu LTS to Debian's testing/stable approach.

- Lots of other devs use Ubuntu, so instructions are often focused on the distro

- It's always had all the drivers I need packaged with the distro

- Smaller projects are more likely to set up a PPA than host their own package repository.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by trenchgun »

blendergeek wrote: post #46
yearoflinux wrote: post #28

As someone who has always made fun of "year of linux on desktop", I want to say this move will finally pave a way for the next decade to end with "year of linux on mobile". Using a popular distro will be the push linux needed on phone. While Manjaro users themselves (IMHO) aren't really developers, this is gateway to get Arch people involved. Arch is a very vibrant community with a lot of people who try to contribute…

> (PS: I know supremacists will claim Android is linux but the thing about supremacists is they no real ideals so they will ignore how close Android is) That Android contains the Linux (R) kernel is no mere "claim", rather it is the truth. Also, obviously, Android is not what anyone was thinking of when they say "Linux". This confusion stems from people using the term "Linux" both to refer to a kernel (the original a…

Exactly! https://youtu.be/QXUSvSUsx80

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by amenod »

slantyyz wrote: post #54

Does anyone know if you can heavily customize the user interface of the PinePhone? The reason why I'm asking is that I have yet to find a feature phone or smartphone that my father (in his 80s) can use. He basically doesn't want to learn new things, and he's more interested in learning/memorizing repeatable steps than intuiting how to do things by reading text on the screen. All he needs is the ability to make/receiv…

I only know Doro feature phones (and am impressed by how easy to use they are, especially for those who don't see well and have trouble hitting small buttons), but it seems that they make smartphones too:

> Age should never be a reason for not being able to enjoy all that a modern smartphone has to offer. Our stylish smartphones bring you not only the full Android® experience and an elegant design, but also unique features that make them easier to use the older we become.

https://www.doro.com/en-gb/products/smartphones/

Maybe check out some video review before buying? Good luck.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by cocoa19 »

blendergeek wrote: post #43
smoyer wrote: post #38

I've got an (old) Samsung Galaxy S4 that I've stuck with because it suits my needs and it still works well. Knowing that it will eventually die, I guess I have two questions I'd love to have answered by Pinephone owners: 1) Is a Pinephone a viable alternative either iOS or Android? 2) How do you get it connected to carrier X?

Disclaimer: I do not (yet) have my Pinephone. > 1) Is a Pinephone a viable alternative either iOS or Android? A Pinephone will never support all the proprietary apps (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, Fortnite, etc). In order to be viable, I would say a phone needs to support phone calls, SMS, MMS, camera, GPS/Navigation, and have a fast and snappy web browser. Currently the Pinephone supports everything except…

"A Pinephone will never support all the proprietary apps (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, Fortnite, etc)."

That sounds like a feature I'm excited about :).

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