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Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by pjmlp »

hashbig wrote: post #46
carlmr wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Compare that to JavaScript where you can literally just install vscode and node and you’re up and running. Not to mention that you could pop open a console in any browser and execute code. That's only because VSCode was developed in JavaScript, and JavaScript is used in Browsers anyway. This has nothing to do with Intellisense friendliness.

No, golang is just as easy to install and work with on vscode. Just install Go and the official Go plugin and you have an IDE experience complete with debugging, formatting, and intelligent autocomplete. It has nothing to do with vscode being written in JS.

Same applies to F#, a ML based language.

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by linkdd »

b34r wrote: post #11
IshKebab wrote: post #9

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Yeah Python (and I think JavaScript?) pretty clearly have `join` backwards.

JS uses the second example

It is because in Javascript everything can be translated to a string:

1 + "hello" == "1hello"

Therefore, the type Array can have a join method that have predictable results (unlike Python).

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by Kinrany »

endergen wrote: post #60

Off serious topic: Naming it after you girlfriend is a risky move, like getting a tattoo of her. Better get married and stay that way or the next partner is gonna be like: "wtf", you still working on your tribute to your ex programming language!?

Breaking changes after every breakup

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by [deleted] »

pjmlp wrote: post #59
fsloth wrote: post #41

The author lists F# as not IDE friendly. I find this categorization inaccurate. F# works great with Visual Studio, and especially well with intellisense. F# was designed as industrial language from the beginning, and high quality tooling is a large part of that. It might just be me, though, maybe other people use the language in ways that don't work that well there.

The only issue with F# is that it is a bit the black swan of Microsoft languages on .NET, so it doesn't get all the toys that C#, VB.NET and even C++/CLI get to play with.

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Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by throwaway43234 »

bboy13 wrote: post #30
azhenley wrote: post #24

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Any chance you have a write up about your experience with it??

I'm pretty sure this is a joke. There's no way you can run a SaaS on two lines of code... Unless it's some bizzarely simple calculator or something like that.

I agree it's probably a joke, but I'm not so sure that the core idea is actually impossible... I could reasonably see a SaaS that simply provides a quick and dirty key-val store. The code is just a translation from REST to REDIS which could easily be done in 2 lines, the value-add is the hosting.

That'd actually be pretty helpful for initial prototyping, where you want to have state shared across devices but don't want to bother with hosting a backend at first, and localhost wont work because the client wants to play with it too.

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by green_apple »

endergen wrote: post #60

Off serious topic: Naming it after you girlfriend is a risky move, like getting a tattoo of her. Better get married and stay that way or the next partner is gonna be like: "wtf", you still working on your tribute to your ex programming language!?

debian says hello

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by lostcolony »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #47
laumars wrote: post #10

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I get this might just boil down to preference but I absolutely hate named parameters. They’re biased towards new users of a language and quickly become painful to write once you’re familiar with the function call. Plus they don’t always improve writability outside of IDEs because you then have to memorise the parameter names and in some functions there’s several terms that could equally apply (if you’re using an IDE…

>I absolutely hate named parameters. They’re biased towards new users of a language and quickly become painful to write once you’re familiar with the function call. It is a fair complaint, but don't you think this is offset almost entirely by a good IDE?

First, having spent the past two years in IntelliJ with Java, no. I still would have much preferred named parameters to having to worry about the order (and still occasionally mixing them up when they're not unique types, and only finding out when things fail).

Second, if a language is heavily reliant on features from an IDE, yeah, I'll echo that's a badly designed language.

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by rgoulter »

linkdd wrote: post #57
pmontra wrote: post #12

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Exactly what I came here to write about: Python 3.8.2 (default, Jul 16 2020, 14:00:26) >>> " ".join(["a", "b"]) 'a b' vs Ruby 2.6.5 :001 > ["a", "b"].join(" ") => "a b" I don't know which one is more natural but I prefer the Ruby version because it's consistent with "a b".split(" ") which works in both languages. One less think to remember.

In Python: ["a", "b"].join(" ") This would mean the type list has a method join, how would it work with the following ? [1.5, "hello", None].join(" ")

  >>> " ".join([1.5, "hello", None])
  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "", line 1, in 
  TypeError: sequence item 0: expected string, float found
Why would `[1.5, "hello", None].join(" ")` be any different?

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by fsloth »

pjmlp wrote: post #59
fsloth wrote: post #41

The author lists F# as not IDE friendly. I find this categorization inaccurate. F# works great with Visual Studio, and especially well with intellisense. F# was designed as industrial language from the beginning, and high quality tooling is a large part of that. It might just be me, though, maybe other people use the language in ways that don't work that well there.

The only issue with F# is that it is a bit the black swan of Microsoft languages on .NET, so it doesn't get all the toys that C#, VB.NET and even C++/CLI get to play with.

I don't think F# needs toys, though. The language is so well put together you don't miss much IDE assist anyway, except to point to you where your code will have problems compiling.

Re: Motivation – Keli Language

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Post by lostcolony »

bboy13 wrote: post #30
azhenley wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any chance you have a write up about your experience with it??

I'm pretty sure this is a joke. There's no way you can run a SaaS on two lines of code... Unless it's some bizzarely simple calculator or something like that.

Of course it's a joke.

Sibling comments aside (without comment on my part), it would be hard to have 6 years of production use of a language that has its first git commit 2 years ago.

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