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China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by wintermutestwin »

fleischhauf wrote: post #15
wintermutestwin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if anyone has tried to measure repression's "drag coefficient" effect on creativity.

This is a very interesting question and one would hope that non repressive societies are more creative and have a higher scientific output. Im not 100 % sure thats the case, however.

It seems to me that it would have to. If your society punishes/limits/eliminates divergent behavior and thought, you are throttling your innovation lever.

I think that rising D&I budgets are a recognition of this truth.

It seems like common sense to me, but I'd be interested to know if it has been studied/measured...

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by ausbah »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #9
mensetmanusman wrote: post #3

In principal this is good for humanity so long as the research isn’t directed towards tools to improve efficiency of repression.

I wonder if anyone has tried to measure repression's "drag coefficient" effect on creativity.

the amount / fraction of money spent on R&D by militaries, especially by the US, would make me think this isn't an issue. most people don't think about the long term impact of their work

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by wolco »

fleischhauf wrote: post #15
wintermutestwin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if anyone has tried to measure repression's "drag coefficient" effect on creativity.

This is a very interesting question and one would hope that non repressive societies are more creative and have a higher scientific output. Im not 100 % sure thats the case, however.

They would have a higher variety of output.

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by realradicalwash »

Taek wrote: post #7

I think this is a very good move for China and think the US should match it.

indeed, an increase would be good. however, it is worth noting that China and the US are in different situations. the US spends about 2.7%-2.8% of its GDP on R&D and China is catching up to that, according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_...

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by free_rms »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #21
fleischhauf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very interesting question and one would hope that non repressive societies are more creative and have a higher scientific output. Im not 100 % sure thats the case, however.

It seems to me that it would have to. If your society punishes/limits/eliminates divergent behavior and thought, you are throttling your innovation lever. I think that rising D&I budgets are a recognition of this truth. It seems like common sense to me, but I'd be interested to know if it has been studied/measured...

In China, professors have to periodically write essays about how they're ideologically committed to the party goals in order to keep funding and not be fired. These goals are all nice sounding things about national prosperity and such, everyone knows what they're supposed to write, it's a minor chore.

In the US, they're only doing this at hire time for D&I so far. We'll see where it goes from there.

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by StreamBright »

aloisdg wrote: post #12
detritus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU?

Each country of the EU has some dark corners, but I am still trusting them more than I would trust the USA, China or Russia.

I used to think I could trust the EU more than he rest. No more. Wirecard story shows how much this trust is misplaced.

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by whoevercares »

fleischhauf wrote: post #15
wintermutestwin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if anyone has tried to measure repression's "drag coefficient" effect on creativity.

This is a very interesting question and one would hope that non repressive societies are more creative and have a higher scientific output. Im not 100 % sure thats the case, however.

It really depends on the level of repression or how smart the authority imposes it. West media depicts China’s repression as if it’s the same level as North Korea and then people believe it —- it’s far from it and in fact has very little impact on student and researchers life. The China’s authority did it in a way that’s almost transparent, that’s not too hard given the the overall awareness for citizen rights among Chinese people

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by whoevercares »

free_rms wrote: post #25
wintermutestwin wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that it would have to. If your society punishes/limits/eliminates divergent behavior and thought, you are throttling your innovation lever. I think that rising D&I budgets are a recognition of this truth. It seems like common sense to me, but I'd be interested to know if it has been studied/measured...

In China, professors have to periodically write essays about how they're ideologically committed to the party goals in order to keep funding and not be fired. These goals are all nice sounding things about national prosperity and such, everyone knows what they're supposed to write, it's a minor chore. In the US, they're only doing this at hire time for D&I so far. We'll see where it goes from there.

Don’t exaggerate it, people use template to do it. In China most of those are just a process thing, nobody even look at it

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by free_rms »

whoevercares wrote: post #29
free_rms wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In China, professors have to periodically write essays about how they're ideologically committed to the party goals in order to keep funding and not be fired. These goals are all nice sounding things about national prosperity and such, everyone knows what they're supposed to write, it's a minor chore. In the US, they're only doing this at hire time for D&I so far. We'll see where it goes from there.

Don’t exaggerate it, people use template to do it. In China most of those are just a process thing, nobody even look at it

Same in the US for the pro-diversity essays as I understand it -- I was trying to make a comparison.
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