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Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by thinkingemote »

vmception wrote: post #16
prvc wrote: post #10

Feels like a submarine ad for Netflix.

Out of curiosity why are you searching for that? Like if that's your only comment it makes it seem like the possibility of it being an ad dilutes the message they are writing about? Many articles are sponsored. Many are ghostwritten. Protip: Often times the second company/solution in the article about the solutions is the one that paid for it. Who cares? You want the FTC to step in with an "AHA! #AD!" banner forced o…

"I agree with people when they manipulate me only when I agree with them"

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by notahacker »

rayiner wrote: post #68
loeg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California was also considered a lefty-socialist-liberal bastion 12 years ago.

Public opinion on same-sex marriage changed very quickly from 2008 to 2016. Obama opposed same sex marriage in 2008 and didn’t really support it until after the 2012 election. And I'm not sure it's totally accurate to say that what happened was people coming around to "lefty liberalism." The nature of the debate changed quite significantly after 2005. First, it became clear to the public that sexual orientation was a…

I think there were two elements. One was that gay marriage suddenly started happening in many places around the world and instead of dire warnings coming true, all the public heard were media reports of some happy couples getting married. The other was generational shift: a generation who had grown up when homosexual relations were unthinkable where even many left-leaning people felt the natural order was being disturbed and Something Must Be Done was supplanted in numbers and political influence by a younger generation where even most conservatives didn't exactly see the gay people they knew as a threat. (And in some parts of the world, the Right even flipped the whole thing on its head and used "their homophobia makes them not like us" as an argument in their campaigns against immigrants or religious minorities). In the middle, lots of people's views on marriage turned out to be a lot less strong than the conservative culture warriors had hoped...

I think it goes to show that conservatives can generally rely on younger generations becoming more receptive to their arguments about tax and security and Chesterton's Fence (and less interested in provisions for people on low incomes) as they age to compensate for older conservatives dying off, the switching sides in culture wars tends to trend in the opposite direction.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by vanderZwan »

valuearb wrote: post #9

Is this Gaytekeeping? “ One thing to say though, is that perhaps you should be careful to have an accurate historical record? Queer theory did not exist until ~mid 1990s, so perhaps none of these games are LGBTQIA+ — they’re Gay and Lesbian works.”

Eh, I think it's comparable to how some musicians sound really punk but were ten years too early to be labelled as such (and hence are often considered rock & roll of the "proto-punk" variety, for example)

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by foxdev »

hnick wrote: post #57
bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #54

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They probably aren't explicitly homophobic, but it's disrespectful and a tiny bit homophobic to not adjust your language a tiny bit, because it's obviously negatively impactful to gay people (not everyone, but I know it is to me).

I agree but everyone has moments of emotional weakness where things come out without thinking. It becomes more about breaking a habit so it doesn't happen unconsciously. Or apologising if it does happen. It can take a moment to realise, my original post said "bad/lame" because the use of "lame" was another popular one that took over as supposedly less offensive than "gay", but it too has the capacity to offend those…

The coming Tony Hawk game remasters will rename "mute grab" with the support of the person who invented the move for a similar reason.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/08/13/tony-hawk-pro-sk...

Sometimes it takes a long time for people to think about the words and phrases they pick up.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by foxdev »

krige wrote: post #81
Nacdor wrote: post #6

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It never claimed to be an exhaustive history of the video game industry so I'm not sure why so many people levy this criticism against it. It reminds me of the G4 show called Icons, with each episode covering a specific game, developer or piece of gaming hardware. I thought it did a great job of covering the topics that were chosen. It wasn't quite as good as The Toys That Made Us but it was still very enjoyable if y…

Exhaustive or not, it is very wrong on quite a number of topics it claims to cover. For example Chun-Li being a first fully playable female video game character? No matter how you try to frame it is either wrong or extremely wrong.

Did they completely skip Metroid? Samus Aran showed up in 1986.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by trumbitta2 »

mudita wrote: post #97
cycomanic wrote: post #84

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We had a a game in Germany which was called "wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann", which means "who is afraid of the black man". I remember that in my mind it was always a chimney sweep, I only realised at some point as an adult that it's actually an incredibly racist name for a game.

The "Schwarzer Mann" of the children's game doesn't have anything to do with race. Historically it was a mythical figure used to scare children (Kinderschreck) comparable to the bogey man, visualised as a man with black clothes or a shadow creature not a man with black skin color. There is a theory which connects him to the black death also, which would fit to the game mechanics. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wer_hat…

I read somewhere that The Black Man was a historical figure who actually used to ride through Germany clad in black for "recruiting" children to be raised and trained for war. (Lots of wars going on during the Middle Ages)

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by dragonwriter »

Pfhreak wrote: post #87
dragonwriter wrote: post #72

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That is, obviously, a homophobic “game”; I suspect it is newer than the ball game of the same name, and probably the result of homophobes applying the name of the ballgame. That article claims the homophobic, ball-free game was new in 1981, the ball game seems to be well established in 1969: https://www.postandcourier.com/free-times/archives/smear-the... . I don't see any reason to believe that “queer” in the ballgam…

Queer was used to denote (pejoratively) a gay person starting in the late 19th century, and increasingly was used that way into the fifties and sixties. The term was later reclaimed by the queer community in the 80s, 90s, and aughts. The term, particularly in the mood century, was absolutely used to describe gay people.

I didn't say that I doubted that the use of the term to refer to gay people was current when the ball game was created. I said that I doubted that that’s the sense that was referenced in the name of the ball game.

The pejorative use to refer to gay people wasn't the dominant use of the term until, well, quite late in the 20th Century, and the structure of the game makes it a whole lot less likely that the reference was a pejorative reference to a sexual minority rather than simply the odd man out.

It's kind of like if you someone argued that the “ball” in the name of association football was a reference to testicles and not the main piece of equipment in the game. Sure, the word also was used that way at the time, but it doesn't make as much sense in context as the alternative, and without some evidence beyond the mere existence of the sense of the word it's not a particularly compelling explanation.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by rayiner »

notahacker wrote: post #112
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public opinion on same-sex marriage changed very quickly from 2008 to 2016. Obama opposed same sex marriage in 2008 and didn’t really support it until after the 2012 election. And I'm not sure it's totally accurate to say that what happened was people coming around to "lefty liberalism." The nature of the debate changed quite significantly after 2005. First, it became clear to the public that sexual orientation was a…

I think there were two elements. One was that gay marriage suddenly started happening in many places around the world and instead of dire warnings coming true, all the public heard were media reports of some happy couples getting married. The other was generational shift: a generation who had grown up when homosexual relations were unthinkable where even many left-leaning people felt the natural order was being distu…

The biggest swing in support of gay marriage was actually among the silent generation, with support nearly doubling from 2003 to 2013: https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/20...

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by LocalH »

eru wrote: post #58
xref wrote: post #20

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It is a great thing to see, California is described as some sort of lefty-socialist-liberal bastion today but like you said it was only 12 years ago they (unconstitutionally) voted in a ban on gay marriage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_...

> but like you said it was only 12 years ago they (unconstitutionally) voted in a ban on gay marriage Shouldn't that be as follows?: > but like you said it was only 12 years ago they voted in an (unconstitutional) ban on gay marriage Or was the vote itself deemed unconstitutional?

I know HN generally dislikes discussion about comment voting, but this comment should not have been downvoted. There’s a big difference between a statement saying they “unconstitutionally voted” and one saying they “voted in an unconstitutional measure”

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by [deleted] »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #106
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public opinion on same-sex marriage changed very quickly from 2008 to 2016. Obama opposed same sex marriage in 2008 and didn’t really support it until after the 2012 election. And I'm not sure it's totally accurate to say that what happened was people coming around to "lefty liberalism." The nature of the debate changed quite significantly after 2005. First, it became clear to the public that sexual orientation was a…

It's interesting indeed. In Spain there was a similar fast-paced change: when I was a kid at school in the first half of the 90s, I remember the equivalent of "faggot" being practically the go-to insult for anyone people wanted to bully (and of course any kid deemed to be even mildly effeminate was bullied), and gay people almost always kept it in secret. In the early 2000s, some famous people (TV anchors, etc.) came…

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