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Blanked-out spots on China's maps helped us uncover Xinjiang's camps

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I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else. Now when people talk about concentration camps, they mostly refer to the camps of Nazi's or the US's for Japanese Americans during WWII. I mean that is the most insidious side of the concentration camp accusation against China. Reliable source means established entities like media or research institution that verify what they get.…

Well, concentration camps are what they are, places where people are brought en mass and kept there forcefully. What exactly they look like and how they compare to the Nazi camps or the soviet gulag is not relevant, plus we are more than half a century later and in a different part of the world so comparing the details isn’t relevant at this point. Ive just seen some sad footage from China with an Uygur woman who was…

Ok now it gets personal and emotional. My last reply.

I think you got lost in feeling angry for some footage that shows injustice but forgot we were debating evidence for concentration camps.

Injustice happens everyday and everywhere. Chinese people feel the same and we have our channels and ways to address those issues, otherwise there wouldn't be a functional society, which is a fact no matter what you say about China.

And you are wrong to think Chinese people just eat up what injustice that are imposed onto them. Chinese people protest always and rebel always in the past and now. You need to teach yourself more of China's history and Chinese people before rushing emotional comments.

Re: Blanked-out spots on China's maps helped us uncover Xinjiang's camps

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Well, concentration camps are what they are, places where people are brought en mass and kept there forcefully. What exactly they look like and how they compare to the Nazi camps or the soviet gulag is not relevant, plus we are more than half a century later and in a different part of the world so comparing the details isn’t relevant at this point. Ive just seen some sad footage from China with an Uygur woman who was…

Ok now it gets personal and emotional. My last reply. I think you got lost in feeling angry for some footage that shows injustice but forgot we were debating evidence for concentration camps. Injustice happens everyday and everywhere. Chinese people feel the same and we have our channels and ways to address those issues, otherwise there wouldn't be a functional society, which is a fact no matter what you say about Ch…

I guess you are heartless and as I said, well connected so that kind of injustice doesn't affect you. You are an oppressor and no matter what kind of evidence you'd find you'd still find some justification for what you do to the oppressed. You completely disregarded a poor woman's plight and called me emotional. If it leaves you cold-hearted make sure you're also not a psychopath as well.

I don't have 100% certainty but I highly suspect you're paid by the CCP to mitigate any damage to their image. If that's true then it's also very pathetic.

Re: Blanked-out spots on China's maps helped us uncover Xinjiang's camps

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Which part did you find aggressive? Prosecuting those responsible for aiding in the genocide of a people?

World war? Indiscriminate ire at Baidu execs? The horrible reality of humanity is that people follow orders they shouldn't, because you don't want to be the only person to say no, achieving nothing. It goes even further in the Stanford prison experiment. That's why autocratic regimes like Belarus's persist long after everyone knows they have no legitimacy. Also, (Re: "PRC supporters and enablers") I assume the vast m…

Well then the horrible reality of humanity is that we seek to punish people who play a part in these atrocities in order to seek justice, till we can come up with a better alternative. Otherwise, let's not punish some newbie in a gang who was forced to murder as part of his forced initiation even though he didn't want to.

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Who/what would be a "reliable source" for you? Also, a concentration camp is not defined in terms of families/women/children confined in it, there were many concentration camps in history that captured individual members of families, who were not ideologically aligned with a totalitarian regime of that time and place, the whole soviet Gulag system was built on secrecy and minimal exposure to public, when individual m…

I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else. Now when people talk about concentration camps, they mostly refer to the camps of Nazi's or the US's for Japanese Americans during WWII. I mean that is the most insidious side of the concentration camp accusation against China. Reliable source means established entities like media or research institution that verify what they get.…

> I don't agree with you. That kind of camps should be called prisons or something else.

It takes more than just disagreeing to prove your point, and no - those camps shouldn't be called prisons, because prisons existed as separate entities at that time and the abbreviation "gulag" contans a word "camp" in its definition.

Next, where's your verifiable proof that New Yorker is a reliable source of information?

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