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Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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WSL2 on windows is really nice. I do all my dev on a surface book laptop running windows. WSL2 has me covered for anything that needs posix, but that's increasingly rare. Edit: my deploy target is Ubuntu.

Is systemd/systemctl still broken on WSL2? How do you deploy on Ubuntu, when the service control layer is incompatible between Ubuntu and WSL2?

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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post #14

It used to be a long running joke as well as practical wisdom on the Windows side to always wait for SP1 (Service Pack 1) for better stability and never to install the X.0 version. For all the “doubling down on Mac” that Apple’s senior employees harp about in interviews, macOS itself has been focusing more on eye candy and iOS parity than on stability. For my machines, I switch to Linux once macOS updates are no long…

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

I had a lot of problems with Mojave and Catalina solved some of them. Catalina has been fine for me since the teething problems (and also it takes a week after install to make your way through all the permissions dialogs)

I'm on the Big Sur beta and even this late in the game it's really rough. You're better off upgrading to Catalina and sticking to that than making the jump to Big Sur after it comes out.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

Could you elaborate on the issues you’ve been having? Been using Catalina since the beta and haven’t really had any major problems..

Early (cca 10.15.0 - 15.10.2) there was a problem mounting SMB share once it has been unmounted. Having to reboot just to get it mounted is not a fun.

Scanning with Samsung MFPs in color into PDFs is still broken, but this one is since 10.14 actually. 10.15 just made it worse, because the Samsung scanning app that could be used instead of Image Capture is 32-bit, so the workaround doesn't work anymore.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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I think in general macOS is an amazing operating system, recent Catalina bugs aside. Something related: what I've been really living with is the T2 chip kernel panic hardware bug. Over 3 different models (the 2017, 2018, then the 2019 16-inch MBP which is my current), I've seen Apple go from: - The initial full-scale buggy behaviour of 1-2 complete system crash & forced reboots per week; - to Apple suddenly deleting…

I would really go with regular Ubuntu for the best support. It really just works and you don't need to put any effort in getting things running smoothly.

I went from Ubuntu to macOS as my daily driver because the company switched to Macbooks. I really like the integration of everything. Especially for developers, though, Ubuntu is the perfect OS.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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post #6

> We are heading rapidly towards the corollary to “it just works” being “and if it doesn’t, just wipe everything and re-install”. Is this really all that bad? In the era of everything living in the cloud, it generally takes me only a couple hours to setup a system again from scratch. Not that I've ever had to do this on macOS personally (though I did once on iOS), but if I had, I wouldn't be terribly upset about it.…

Seriously, though: Audio or updates not working on Linux is a thing from >10 years ago.

I guess it depends on your distro of choice, but I haven't seen an Ubuntu machine with these problems in a long long time. You install it and everything just works.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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At work we were asked to upgrade to Catalina for security/maintainability reasons. There was a list of "Known Issues" with Catalina linked in the email asking us to upgrade.

The list was comical. Had at least 5 things on it that, if they happened to me, would completely ruin my productivity.

I've spent most of my life on macOS but it does seem to be unraveling, while Windows and Linux are only getting better these days.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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post #91

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I'm not sure software stability is decreasing, these sort of problems have existed for as long as I can remember.

Indeed, MacOS 9 was buggy as hell and worse than Windows 98 in terms of stability. OS X apparently fixed some of that for a couple of years, so it looks like Apple is now reverting to its old ways.

OSX was developed by NeXT

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

I had a lot of problems with Mojave and Catalina solved some of them. Catalina has been fine for me since the teething problems (and also it takes a week after install to make your way through all the permissions dialogs) I'm on the Big Sur beta and even this late in the game it's really rough. You're better off upgrading to Catalina and sticking to that than making the jump to Big Sur after it comes out.

I'm really surprised at that - I've been running Big Sur as my main OS on my personal laptop since dev beta 2 and it's been pretty solid. A few small rough edges but it largely just works for me.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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> Apple has long taken pride that “it just works”, but seems to have convinced itself that is inviolate fact This. Apple's inability to admit fault coupled with decreasing software stability makes life difficult in many ways. For instance, aside from the obvious detrimental effects of OS bugs, it's often quite difficult to find specific solutions without a specific error message. "$APP silently fails" or "Why is my f…

I'm not sure software stability is decreasing, these sort of problems have existed for as long as I can remember.

Yeah, people forget how buggy macOS has been. Both Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion were public admissions that they needed to focus on quality. They haven’t had a proper one of those in a while.

That said, I can’t remember a time when bugs have been as long-standing as they are now. SMB file shares have been completely broken for nearly 3 years now (the solution is to buy the program AutoMounter), and USB-C docks have been broken since day 1 and still are on Big Sur.

Re: Is macOS Becoming Unmaintainable?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case you ever consider it for some reason, under no circumstances should you upgrade to Catalina. Worst OS I’ve used since I left windows nearly 20 years ago.

Could you elaborate on the issues you’ve been having? Been using Catalina since the beta and haven’t really had any major problems..

I'm not the original commenter but I've had this issue where the laptop reboots instead of sleeping properly. Keeps happening, not sure why, and many others have had it too on forums.
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