Earlier quoted context omitted.
Care to elaborate on why you believe this?
It's like being in 1995 and predicting that Windows botnets will be created. The coming disaster is inevitable. State-sponsored hackers are not going to ignore the opportunity. They probably have the capability already, in dozens of countries, and are just waiting for orders from the leaders. If war is starting, the order will be given. Sanctions could be enough to trigger it.
The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
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Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
#52The pricing on these bug bounties always blows my mind. If this hack had been exploited Tesla market capitalization would've taken a multi-million if not billion dollar hit. And here they are, paying out relative chump change to a guy that alerted them to it.
Maybe, maybe not. What happened to Garmin's share price?
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#53Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.
Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
#54Can y'all add "in 2017" to the title here?
This article is from three days ago (August 27th, 2020). I suspect the underlying issue was under a 3 year NDA/agreement. It would be misleading to label an article from three days ago from "2017," particularly as this is the first reporting about this ever.
From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24327485, so no NDA.
Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
#55The pricing on these bug bounties always blows my mind. If this hack had been exploited Tesla market capitalization would've taken a multi-million if not billion dollar hit. And here they are, paying out relative chump change to a guy that alerted them to it.
But the fact that $50000 is chump change for Tesla does not mean it's chump change to the recipient.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
An easy solution would be to not allow self driving or remotely updated cars until there's a reliable solution to this. People already go to auto-shops for repairs, certified auto-shops could easily double as places to update software and the certification requirements can be tailored to require an external oversight agent come and evaluate their security practices.
I definitely think Tesla can be over aggressive with their updates. However that doesn't mean that the basic idea of remote updating cars is inherently flawed or unsafe when compared with the alternative. It is all about trade-offs. Both the Prius[1] and the Model 3[2] had similar software bugs related to their anti-lock brakes. Both companies had a software fix a few days after the bugs were discovered. Tesla's fix…
Isn't that exactly what we're doing? If someone pushes out a malicious change, do you know how long it would take for that change to propagate to the entire Toyota fleet?
It wouldn't.
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#57This is what holds me back from 'smart' devices that have the potential to cause real harm... We've been making motors (electric or combustion) for over a hundred years, and gotten pretty damn good at making them safe and reliable. Same thing with stoves, HVAC equipment, small appliances, etc. These are all mature technologies that we can practically trust our lives with. Internet-connected smart vehicles aren't a ma…
Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
#58Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.
Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
#59The pricing on these bug bounties always blows my mind. If this hack had been exploited Tesla market capitalization would've taken a multi-million if not billion dollar hit. And here they are, paying out relative chump change to a guy that alerted them to it.
Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet
#60Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.
the guys who make power drills are writing the software for Self-Driving Cars[1]? Who is running that ship lol [1] https://www.bosch.com/stories/future-vehicles/
- know of the existence of Bosch,
- be completely ignorant of the company being an absolute giant in the engineering space, and
- be confident enough that they're some tiny power drill manufacturer to mock them publicly without pausing to look them up
It's like hearing someone say "the guys who make the Xbox are providing cloud services for the Pentagon? Who is running that ship lol".