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The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by gruez »

wrkronmiller wrote: post #5
burfog wrote: post #4

Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.

Care to elaborate on why you believe this?

Not the OP, but the precedents are here: Always-connected cars (eg. teslas): check. Being able to take control of a car via the CAN bus[1]: check. The only thing missing in the exploit chain is something that allows the attacker to jump from the modem/infotainment system to the CAN bus or ecu.

[1] https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed...

Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by abledon »

burfog wrote: post #4

Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.

the guys who make power drills are writing the software for Self-Driving Cars[1]? Who is running that ship lol

[1] https://www.bosch.com/stories/future-vehicles/

Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by jgalt212 »

altdatathrow wrote: post #6

Having a fleet of cars you can manage with a single ansible script isn’t the norm for $400B companies?

It's funny you say that, and there are shops that are very careful with this sort of stuff. Unfortunately, I fear that when the big cloud hack comes, it's going to hurt everyone (i.e. those with and without publicly addressable S3 buckets).

Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by burfog »

wrkronmiller wrote: post #5
burfog wrote: post #4

Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.

Care to elaborate on why you believe this?

It's like being in 1995 and predicting that Windows botnets will be created. The coming disaster is inevitable.

State-sponsored hackers are not going to ignore the opportunity. They probably have the capability already, in dozens of countries, and are just waiting for orders from the leaders. If war is starting, the order will be given. Sanctions could be enough to trigger it.

Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by thoughtstheseus »

burfog wrote: post #14
wrkronmiller wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate on why you believe this?

It's like being in 1995 and predicting that Windows botnets will be created. The coming disaster is inevitable. State-sponsored hackers are not going to ignore the opportunity. They probably have the capability already, in dozens of countries, and are just waiting for orders from the leaders. If war is starting, the order will be given. Sanctions could be enough to trigger it.

I thought it was well known that infrastructure has been a target of state hacking?

Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by sukilot »

abledon wrote: post #12
burfog wrote: post #4

Someday, all cars from a particular brand will be made to crash during rush hour. The carnage will be immense. Emergency services will have to go off-road to bypass the snarl. There won't be enough helicopters to meet the demand. The brand that could cause the most damage is probably Bosch, a major automotive component manufacturer.

the guys who make power drills are writing the software for Self-Driving Cars[1]? Who is running that ship lol [1] https://www.bosch.com/stories/future-vehicles/

Huge companies have more than one product.

Re: The Big Tesla Hack: A hacker gained control over the entire fleet

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Post by sukilot »

ghuntley wrote: post #9
wrkronmiller wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate on why you believe this?

https://www.can-cia.org/can-knowledge/can/can-history/

In the context of international sabotage, I thought that domain name was for answering questions of the form "Can CIA _____?"
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