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Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Post by monksy » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 9:16 PM UTC

paulirwin wrote: post #73

vidanay wrote: post #23

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There's also more than a fair share of OM spouting off about their gout, dieabeetus, negroes, and Jeezus. Phone frequencies are a real cesspool most of the time.

I assume you're being downvoted because of the terms you're using, but you're not wrong. Extra class licensee here. On phone (Single Sideband "SSB" or FM typically, for those not familiar with the terminology, where you use radio for voice rather than data/Morse) I've heard all kinds of absolutely reprehensible things. In one single conversation where a man was ranting about mask mandates, he managed to throw in dero…

Yes. There are different people with vastly different values out there.

> Myself and others tried to temper the conversation and return to civility, but they wouldn't have it.

You're feeding into their behavior. IMO We're seeing a huge conflict in culture: one side that is authoritarian against unpleasant language and the other that doesn't accept that (or the suggested changed). (That's a very simplified view of it)

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Post by monksy » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 9:19 PM UTC

riffic wrote: post #184

jimhefferon wrote: post #178

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I hear you, but the flip side is that this is a hobby. I did not get in it to get mad.

not mad at all. My take is that radio is not an ephemeral medium. These transmissions can be slurped down by an SDR, recorded, stored, analyzed, tagged, fingerprinted, indexed, et cetera. By keying up you are effectively making a statement of public record. At the moment there isn't a financial incentive to perform this at any reasonable scale, but this doesn't mean that it can't be done at all.

This is a very extreme and authoritarian response to a very vocal minority. Who decides what isn't "compliant" with the rules you want to shame them for?

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Post by riffic » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 9:22 PM UTC

monksy wrote: post #212

riffic wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not mad at all. My take is that radio is not an ephemeral medium. These transmissions can be slurped down by an SDR, recorded, stored, analyzed, tagged, fingerprinted, indexed, et cetera. By keying up you are effectively making a statement of public record. At the moment there isn't a financial incentive to perform this at any reasonable scale, but this doesn't mean that it can't be done at all.

This is a very extreme and authoritarian response to a very vocal minority. Who decides what isn't "compliant" with the rules you want to shame them for?

Just record it all and make it indexed/searchable.

Not discriminating here, just want to make it easier to correlate statements to the public record with public call signs.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Post by monksy » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 10:06 PM UTC

riffic wrote: post #213

monksy wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very extreme and authoritarian response to a very vocal minority. Who decides what isn't "compliant" with the rules you want to shame them for?

Just record it all and make it indexed/searchable. Not discriminating here, just want to make it easier to correlate statements to the public record with public call signs.

Got it, you want to make it all but the punishment towards suppression of speech.

Mention about the independent country of Taiwan or the autonomy of Hong Kong on radio.. well you've enabled the punishment of said behavior on a very real level. (In this case that would be invoking the national security letters recently introduced)

Is this really worth it for a few people with terrible opinions?

My stance: Let people have stupid opinions, let them blow off steam, recognize that you don't agree with them, don't be their opinions.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Post by riffic » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 11:24 PM UTC

monksy wrote: post #214

riffic wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just record it all and make it indexed/searchable. Not discriminating here, just want to make it easier to correlate statements to the public record with public call signs.

Got it, you want to make it all but the punishment towards suppression of speech. Mention about the independent country of Taiwan or the autonomy of Hong Kong on radio.. well you've enabled the punishment of said behavior on a very real level. (In this case that would be invoking the national security letters recently introduced) Is this really worth it for a few people with terrible opinions? My stance: Let people h…

Again, you seem to think that radio is ephemeral. It's not, and there is no expectation of privacy or anonymity when you key up. Perhaps you misunderstand what amateur radio is about.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Post by pcdoodle » Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 10:02 AM UTC

monksy wrote: post #212

riffic wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not mad at all. My take is that radio is not an ephemeral medium. These transmissions can be slurped down by an SDR, recorded, stored, analyzed, tagged, fingerprinted, indexed, et cetera. By keying up you are effectively making a statement of public record. At the moment there isn't a financial incentive to perform this at any reasonable scale, but this doesn't mean that it can't be done at all.

This is a very extreme and authoritarian response to a very vocal minority. Who decides what isn't "compliant" with the rules you want to shame them for?

For real...