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Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

cheeze wrote: post #2

... And nothing of value was lost. If it's detremental to your business to not be able to track users on such a granular level, it's a bad business. I'm sure Facebook will survive here. 100% biased, can't stand that company.

> If it's detremental to your business to not be able to track users on such a granular level, it's a bad business.

Except that Apple still allows tracking on this granular level, it's just that now they have to explicitly ask users to allow this.

Says a lot about Facebook's (and others) business model if it only works when the vast majority of users are mostly unaware of the amount of tracking they do, but the minute you make these users aware of the tracking and ask for their permission, the business model falls apart.

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by rahoulb »

pcurve wrote: post #7

I wonder how long it will be before Apple gets into serious ad business themselves.

Well, one side effect of this is developers will rely on App Store adverts to promote their apps, whereas before Facebook ads were an effective way to promote them. So indirectly, Apple will be gaining revenue from this move.

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by switch11 »

cheeze wrote: post #2

... And nothing of value was lost. If it's detremental to your business to not be able to track users on such a granular level, it's a bad business. I'm sure Facebook will survive here. 100% biased, can't stand that company.

agree 100% with you

To me it's a miracle Facebook is allowed to do business given how many scummy things they do

The Western World claims to be honest and transparent and talks a lot about ethics etc

However, you never see stuff like Facebook or the Tik Tok ban in countries like China and INdia which are supposedly riddled with corruption

America it seems corruption is completely OK as long as there is enough bread and circuses for the common people

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by duk »

lukevp wrote: post #17
duk wrote: post #10

a bit off topic, how much time does your spouse spend on Facebook? I just peeked at her iPhone time tracking thingy and it's 26 hours a week. That sounds crazy to me. The scarier thing is that she doesn't see anything wrong with it. But I can't say anything to her; I chose being happy than being right. But then again not very happy either. Oh well.

Don’t know you so take this with a grain of salt, but personally if I could not discuss how we spend that much of our time with my spouse, I would feel that we had a fundamental problem with the way we communicate. You should also be talking about how you are not that happy. Maybe it is related to other things left unsaid. That is quite a deal of time that you all are choosing as a couple to spend on FB instead of in…

Thanks for the input. It makes sense.

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by switch11 »

reaperducer wrote: post #14

I think we have to get away from calling these things "ad tracking." They're not tracking ads, they're tracking people, and their response to the ads. If Facebook was a guy with a notepad and a trench coat doing what it does in meatspace, you could get a restraining order against him.

yeah, and almost everyone would

You take a normal parent and tell them - This guy from Facebook is going to follow your teenage daughter around high school, the mall, her room, everywhere she goes, and keep a record of every single thing she does on the computer

and they would be running for their guns or their lawyers

Online, Facebook does all that and most people don't even have a clue

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by cblconfederate »

Traster wrote: post #20

I think it’s really kind of funny that you’ve got all these companies decrying Apple completely destroying their business with onerous conditions. Then you have facebook chiming in. No Facebook. Not you.

If facebook pulls its app though, and goes web-only it will be a big blow to apples products. Users spend most of their time on those apps.

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by cblconfederate »

rahoulb wrote: post #22
pcurve wrote: post #7

I wonder how long it will be before Apple gets into serious ad business themselves.

Well, one side effect of this is developers will rely on App Store adverts to promote their apps, whereas before Facebook ads were an effective way to promote them. So indirectly, Apple will be gaining revenue from this move.

It's probably their plan, though tbh the App Store discovery process is atrocious. You re much more likely to find an app through google, and then you have to type the exact full name of the app in the store to have a chance of finding it

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by dathinab »

cheeze wrote: post #2

... And nothing of value was lost. If it's detremental to your business to not be able to track users on such a granular level, it's a bad business. I'm sure Facebook will survive here. 100% biased, can't stand that company.

Facebook owns masses of Photos "gifted" to them by their users many with good quality.

That alone can be turned into endless streams of money (selling them to advertisement companies).

And that's just one of many points.

So yes this won't get anywhere close to killing FB even if it is adopted by other platforms like Android.

Still it hurts revenue and this companies don't work on a morlaic basis but a pure monetary one, moral only matter because overstepping it to far makes you lose customers and trust from the government and with that potential more regulations.

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by raverbashing »

switch11 wrote: post #23
cheeze wrote: post #2

... And nothing of value was lost. If it's detremental to your business to not be able to track users on such a granular level, it's a bad business. I'm sure Facebook will survive here. 100% biased, can't stand that company.

agree 100% with you To me it's a miracle Facebook is allowed to do business given how many scummy things they do The Western World claims to be honest and transparent and talks a lot about ethics etc However, you never see stuff like Facebook or the Tik Tok ban in countries like China and INdia which are supposedly riddled with corruption America it seems corruption is completely OK as long as there is enough bread a…

Facebook is banned in China

Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions

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Post by jokoon »

cheeze wrote: post #2

... And nothing of value was lost. If it's detremental to your business to not be able to track users on such a granular level, it's a bad business. I'm sure Facebook will survive here. 100% biased, can't stand that company.

Why do you think it will survive?

If one is optimistic, this could be the the downfall of facebook. If FB is scummy it doesn't increase its chances of survival.

To be honest I'm sure there will be millions of other opportunities to gather data, by other companies. Facebook does it the easy way. Data gathering is a business now, I'm sure there are people who specialize in data gathering operations, a little like oil prospecting, the obstacle here is just getting the legal consent of consumers.

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