Not a rhetoric question, I'm honestly curious:
Has there been any case where an entity who complained about Apple's restrictions, turned out to genuinely be in the favor of users, instead of just trying to make more money?
Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
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Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#12Not a rhetoric question, I'm honestly curious: Has there been any case where an entity who complained about Apple's restrictions, turned out to genuinely be in the favor of users, instead of just trying to make more money?
These are not exclusives. You can be in favor of users and also happen to make more money.
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#13I'm sure they have plenty of other data points to help them get a pretty good idea of who the phone belongs to
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#14I think we have to get away from calling these things "ad tracking." They're not tracking ads, they're tracking people, and their response to the ads.
If Facebook was a guy with a notepad and a trench coat doing what it does in meatspace, you could get a restraining order against him.
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#15Not a rhetoric question, I'm honestly curious: Has there been any case where an entity who complained about Apple's restrictions, turned out to genuinely be in the favor of users, instead of just trying to make more money?
This is genuinely in favor of users and small business:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/facebook-says-apple-refused-...
For example, some of my friends run a dog care training business and they had to switch to using facebook streaming to make money. This 30% fee is something they are quite unhappy about because it runs in the thousands of dollars for their scenario.
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#16Maybe this will encourage switching to context-based ads. If I'm reading blog post about Rust, I might be interested in buying books or online training in Rust. Or, if I'm watching a video on how to take care of kitten, food or vaccination for kitten might be of interest for me. Nobody needs to track all my activity to guess that.
If I'm reading blog post about Rust, I might be interested in buying books or online training in Rust
I have been repeatedly assured by ad tech experts on HN that Facebook (and Google's) advertisements which are custom-tailored to my tabulated interests are far superior to the ads I would get through traditional context advertising.
You can tell by all the ads I see on Facebook for feminine hygiene products for the lady parts I don't have, the concert ads for bands I don't like, and the restaurant ads for cities where I don't live in places I've never been.
Life is so much better with the ad tech algorithms in charge.
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#17a bit off topic, how much time does your spouse spend on Facebook? I just peeked at her iPhone time tracking thingy and it's 26 hours a week. That sounds crazy to me. The scarier thing is that she doesn't see anything wrong with it. But I can't say anything to her; I chose being happy than being right. But then again not very happy either. Oh well.
Don’t know you so take this with a grain of salt, but personally if I could not discuss how we spend that much of our time with my spouse, I would feel that we had a fundamental problem with the way we communicate. You should also be talking about how you are not that happy. Maybe it is related to other things left unsaid.
That is quite a deal of time that you all are choosing as a couple to spend on FB instead of in person.
For my spouse and I, we quit FB a few years ago (for similar reasons - mindlessly scrolling, fomo and jealous feelings about others, watching everyone’s highlight reel instead of real life.) We did the same with IG and Reddit. Now I read HN and she IGs/YouTubes some for her business, and we spend the rest of our time away from social media, playing games, making art, reading, working, etc.
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#18Not a rhetoric question, I'm honestly curious: Has there been any case where an entity who complained about Apple's restrictions, turned out to genuinely be in the favor of users, instead of just trying to make more money?
This is genuinely in favor of users and small business: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/facebook-says-apple-refused-... For example, some of my friends run a dog care training business and they had to switch to using facebook streaming to make money. This 30% fee is something they are quite unhappy about because it runs in the thousands of dollars for their scenario.
I think the OP's definition of "user" is the end user, meaning the person who sees the ad, not the company placing the ad.
they had to switch to using facebook streaming to make money
This I find hard to believe. The could easily have streamed on another service like YouTube, Zoom, or any of a dozen other solutions. Nobody "has" to switch to Facebook streaming.
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#19Maybe this will encourage switching to context-based ads. If I'm reading blog post about Rust, I might be interested in buying books or online training in Rust. Or, if I'm watching a video on how to take care of kitten, food or vaccination for kitten might be of interest for me. Nobody needs to track all my activity to guess that.
I'm not sure if it's intentional or not but this is what some online stores appear to do (poorly). E.g. suggesting me office chairs after I just ordered one, suggesting motherboards incompatible with a CPU I'm looking at...
Re: Facebook isn’t happy about Apple’s upcoming ad tracking restrictions
#20I think it’s really kind of funny that you’ve got all these companies decrying Apple completely destroying their business with onerous conditions. Then you have facebook chiming in. No Facebook. Not you.