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Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by wayneftw » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #5

I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

> you don't see tradesmen getting all pissy about people buying DeWalt power drills.

Tribalism is everywhere. Dodge vs Chevy vs Ford is one that certain tradesmen might be inclined to take part in. Certainly even tool brands like DeWalt vs Makita.

I don't see a problem with it. This is like complaining that people have opinions and that they might argue about them. It's 100% human nature. Arguing against it is like arguing against the wind.

Perhaps there's even a tribe of folks who think that opinions are bad and everybody should just think like they do and not give a fuck. Well, that's just like, your opinion man.

If my opinions are not part of my identity, what is?

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by lxmorj » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #5

I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

It’s just back-filling a personality when you don’t really have a strong internal identity. We all do it a lot when we’re very young - defining yourself as someone who likes a certain Venn Diagram of interests whose intersection makes you feel unique and cool.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by mikeryan » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

Wow - first dial-up in 1997-8.

I grew up on the Peninsula, Back when Silicon Valley's northern edge was pretty much the Oracle buildings on Redwood Shores and was just starting my path in the tech industry. One of my first jobs in tech was for Excite@Home in early/mid 1999 - so that was when I went broadband - and never looked back.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by hindsightbias » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #5

I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

Actually, many tradespeople are pretty elitist about their power tools. There are a lot of brands that have gone downhill or been amalgamated so there are those that hold out for older era models that were allegedly better built (ala Thinkpads).

I’d be a real power tool guy if I could afford Hilti, but I get some cred for being a Makita guy.

While tribalism does have its bad points, am not sure modern capitalism/consumerism could survive without it.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by piyush_soni » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:32 PM UTC

hddherman wrote: post #2

I would love to have a discussion with the person(s) who think that having an autoplay video pop up and cover 40% of the article I’m trying to read is a good idea.

Firefox Developer Edition, with uBlock origin installed. I don't see anything you said.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by nurettin » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:32 PM UTC

wolfgke wrote: post #20

dijit wrote: post #5

I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

> Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I disagree: For example accepting or rejecting a golden cage is a deep decision about one's moral values - thus near to a religion.

So picking up trash is a religion. Lax definition is as bad as no definition.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by kgwgk » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

stiray wrote: post #10

My father didnt want to have cable tv. On antenna we only got ORF (austrian television) and local one (which sucked). I needed almost 10 years to actually hear how Captain Kirk in Raumschiff Enterprise really sounds (everything is synchronized to german) like. Side effect: I also fluently speak german. And banning social networks is positive for your kids. Also ads.

> Side effect: I also fluently speak german.

May have been useful living in Austria!

> everything is synchronized to german

I suspect that's not the word you were looking for.

PS: I guess that explains it: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronisation_(Film)

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by altdatathrow » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #5

I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

> I can't stand Windows and it hurts me to see people using it

There's an entire industry (pc gaming) that is still a pretty piss poor experience on other platforms. This has been true for 25 years and isn't showing any signs of changing. And the current direction Apple is taking is going to ensure the iPhone with all the impressive hardware is going will only be utilized to play candycrush and scroll through instagram photos, because quality games (and applications, e.g. Spotify, Netflix) rightfully don't want to give Apple 30% of every dollar they earn.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by toast0 » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

dilippkumar wrote: post #8

I wish that a significant portion of people today held the tech industry to such high standards. Imagine the progress we would have made if our industry was forced into making sure that tech is extremely reliable and highly functional. Instead, we get half baked broken things with all notions of quality and craftsmanship completely abandoned to make room for fast iterations.

> Imagine the progress we would have made if our industry was forced into making sure that tech is extremely reliable and highly functional.

Do you remember the progress of landlines? In 2000 (and beyond), some people were still paying extra per month for touchtone dialing. Extreme reliability comes at a large cost.

If everything had to be reliablr before it was released, we'd have a lot fewer things to try, and a harder time deciding what we liked. By shipping half broken stuff all the time, we can figure out what we like, and then make it reliable if it's warranted, or throw it away if that's the right choice.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Post by gautamcgoel » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #16

dijit wrote: post #5

I am genuinely sick to death of people taking up arms in some sort of faction war against their supposed "opponent" technology. I see it everywhere. PlayStation or Xbox! PCMR or Console! MacOS or Windows! iOS or Android! Disturbing tribalism. Liking Apple does not make you cool, not liking Apple does not make you cool. Apple produces hardware and software, it is not a religion. I see so many people taking up arms aga…

I agree. All three major OS platforms have their own faults. I hear Mac people praise Mac as dev ready but just like Windows you gotta install additional things to make it useful for building things you can deploy to a Linux server. Linux has its own flaws especially with how they handle package management: I wish Debian would differentiate between system required packages and user app packages, imagine letting the s…

Two things: if you believe system-required packages should be separate from user app packages you should check out the BSDs. Also, why do you like openSUSE the best? I've never tried it.