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Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

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I'm on the lookout for a FHD IPS screen for the T420 that is compatible for max 150$. Where do I source those?

I got a few displays from aliexpress, all of them were good quality. If the seller has a good rating, they'll most likely send legitimate displays. You'll also need a FHD adaptor. Together the adaptor and the screen will easily be under $150.

Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

#92

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I've been replacing batteries in electronic gear since I was all of five years old. I think your average consumer would be able to handle it.

It's no different if you replace it yourself, that's tangential to my point. You'd be sourcing a specialized replacement battery online and there's a risk that the battery you get is an unsafe knockoff.

Why not argue for better battery certification and quality control or more tolerant phone designs? You could probably detect low quality batteries with software and sensors and notify the user.

Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

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That is a different problem. I've also been able to buy non-knock off batteries for just about all electronics up to a few years ago when companies decided that soldered in batteries shorten the time-to-landfill of their products improving their revenues. Seriously: there is no reason why there could not be a standard form factor for battery cells. If we can do hard drives, CPUs and RAM I'm sure we can do batteries t…

You're still talking past me. A standard form factor won't solve the trust problem. Most people don't know how to choose a proper hard drive compatible with their M.2 adapter or cable for their USB device. Many people also buy counterfeit USB sticks and SSDs that don't have near the capacity they advertise. You and other tech-literate people aren't the only consumers manufacturers are selling to. Nor are people alway…

Look, I'm really not sure where you are coming from. Batteries are solved problem since 1920. It's just gadget and computer manufacturers that suddenly see a way to make a uick buck and to drive their cycle of planned obsolescence.

If I could do it at 6 and my mom can do it at close to 80 then I really don't see why other people could not. Sometimes there just isn't a problem unless you make one. Standardize the cells, sell them through the supermarket chains at a normal price, just like Duracell and other quality battery manufacturers have been able to do for ages. Problem solved, once and for all. No need to go through AliExpress, Amazon or some other shady online store, if you are that concerned about trust then the only way to solve that is to buy from a reputable vendor.

Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

#94
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The T420 is old, but still has some advantages over laptops currently on the market. Up until 2018 many laptops still had dual core cpus like the i7-7500u which are worse than the i7-3840qm that can be put in a T420, and the few currently available laptops that have 1440p displays and quad core cpus are still pretty expensive. Some other reasons people still use the laptop are being able to use coreboot with it and t…

Not old. Perhaps forever young. My T420 is 9 years old, both batteries are shot but that's my 'desktop', also have an X220, identical last-of-a-generation keyboards, with a fresh 9 cell battery for when on the move. Upgraded with SSDs and RAM; probably not great for gaming or video editing, but no interest in that and there's a PCMCIA bay sitting there just for such applications. I can't see myself changing for at le…

> something that doesn't have an excellent keyboard, which rules out most laptops including and especially Mac

Probably not very relevant to you, since Macs don't like being bashed into the floor too much, but the new post-butterfly keyboards are really nice IMO. Way nicer than that of my late 2013 MBP that got a new keyboard last year. They've really fixed that issue for me, and you still get the Touchbar with a physical ESC key, which IMO is a lot more useful than F-keys ever were.

Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

#95

I have a dream: A large company buys Thinkpad as a brand and launches a few shiny Linux Laptops

Instead of making bad Mac Air clones a company should make 1:1 replicas of sturdy, old school, ThinkPads (t420, x230, x220, etc) There's a market for cheap, reliable, battle tested equipment

I wonder how much of the design of those oldschool ThinkPads is patented or otherwise protected. What's to stop some enterprising hacker from making those replicas without authorization?

Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

#96
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Could you measure a calibration discharge curve with a (digital) bench power supply draining constant current (or constant power) and use it as a LUT?

Not as simple. Voltage also changes with load and temperature for multiple reasons. You'd also need to account for that.

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Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

#97
post #76

This is a cool project, and I love it when somebody "takes back" their hardware a little bit or keeps them useful through hacking instead of throwing it away. But it shows how irrationally our society is set up in some aspects. In an ideal world, you could just send the Lenovo engineer a mail and ask for the firmware source. But the incentives are such that they keep it secret, probably because they make a lot of mon…

This is why my next laptop will be a MNT Reform, you can change the individual cells yourself: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform

I just received my developer beta MNT Reform, and I've been really enjoying it. They keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but everything's very cute.

Re: Open Source Thinkpad T420 Battery Design

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That is a different problem. I've also been able to buy non-knock off batteries for just about all electronics up to a few years ago when companies decided that soldered in batteries shorten the time-to-landfill of their products improving their revenues. Seriously: there is no reason why there could not be a standard form factor for battery cells. If we can do hard drives, CPUs and RAM I'm sure we can do batteries t…

You're still talking past me. A standard form factor won't solve the trust problem. Most people don't know how to choose a proper hard drive compatible with their M.2 adapter or cable for their USB device. Many people also buy counterfeit USB sticks and SSDs that don't have near the capacity they advertise. You and other tech-literate people aren't the only consumers manufacturers are selling to. Nor are people alway…

It would give reputable battery producers with all kind of certificates a thing and not buying dubious compatible batteries from Amazon/EBay/Ali/whatever a thing.

It would also make it easier for people to learn how to replace batteries.

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