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Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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It is a strategically risky move for Facebook to take an active role in shaping India's political landscape. I imagine that the Indian population might object to American companies deciding what is and isn't appropriate to discuss.

I've always wondered why Facebook's role in the US elections is such a hotly debated topic but Facebook's role in the elections of all the other democracies in the world is not touched upon at all.

Most people hold double/triple standards

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Hate speech is very common in Indian social media. Also, This is not just a problem with Facebook India, Even Twitter India's heads have very close ties to India's ruling party.

Are you sure about this? From what I gather the current ruling dispensation in India is opposite of left, and Jack Dorsey has stated in the past about Twitter having left leaning bias. [1] Might not translate to their India operations but I strongly doubt it wouldn't. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/08/19/twitter...

BJP, India’s right wing party, has super majority seats in parliament and looks to be the only relevant party in the foreseeable future. So I think if they want to deal with India, they’d have to deal with BJP regardless of their political leanings.

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"Shreya Singhal v. Union of India shields Twitter from any liability for failing to take down content unless a court order is passed asking it to do the same." source: https://internetfreedom.in/joint-letter-to-twitter-about-rem...

Those are better free speech protections than in Germany, where after a mere complaint (not court order) platforms are liable for up to 5 million euro if they fail to remove illegal posts within 7 days, and "obviously illegal" posts within 24 hours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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For failure of legislation, judiciary, administration, media in India to protect minority, Facebook is not the primary actor. Indeed minorities failed to get support from top courts in India where habeas corpus (the most fundamental basic right of Freedom in Indian constitution) litigations are pending for over 1 year and constantly being postponed, and the topmost court is busy prosecuting a lawyer with urgency for…

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> So it's galling to me when you accuse Hindus of Hitler style tactics when they're the real victims of it.

Stop thinking in terms of "X are the real victims", "Y are the real aggressors". It leads to a never-ending cycle of hatred and violence. Everyone is human, everyone deserves protection, and everyone is capable of doing good and evil at different times and in different places.

GP didn't say "all Hindus" and they definitely didn't say "Hindus outside India", which is who you're talking about.

Your ancestors experienced "persecution of a minority" in their homelands, and that's what GP is also referring to. It is always wrong, no matter who the persecutor is and who the minority is. But it's possible for people of Group A to be the minority in one place and the persecutor in another. Sometimes it's the same individuals, because they want revenge. But often it's people saying "Well what we're doing isn't so bad, did you hear they do X bad thing to our people in other countries?" These are destructive patterns of thought - they corrode societies and nations. Focus on making the place where you live positive, happy, and peaceful instead of pointing fingers.

This comment thread is about India, so GP was talking about persecution of minorities there.

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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It is a strategically risky move for Facebook to take an active role in shaping India's political landscape. I imagine that the Indian population might object to American companies deciding what is and isn't appropriate to discuss.

Indian population is brainwashed by the party with which FB sided

How you ask? The media commonly called as Modi Media blames EVERYTHING on the opposing parties

India is#1 in corona casesper day, who is to blame? Congress. Why? They are soreading fear!

And now they've started using a suicide by a Film actor to stop corona news altogether.

If you look at Hindi and English news they're focused on spreading conspiracies about a dead guy and his girlfriend like gf smoked drugs etc

Re: Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fight against hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think people have realized that Zuckerberg’s intent is to be the Rupert Murdoch of the 21st century. He’s no ally of liberal society or democracy.

Investors don't mind, users don't seem to care. Can we pinpoint why it is 'bad'? People are making money, signs that the product brings 'value' to society. I am young, how much of the world has Murdoch influenced? Has it all been bad? Sounds like a player that made it. Do we change the game in this case?

> I am young, how much of the world has Murdoch influenced?

That's a testament to his influence, that you can't even imagine a different world.

> Has it all been bad?

Their stance about climate change alone is bad enough to wipe out anything positive they might have done. But yeah, nearly all of it has been bad.

> Sounds like a player that made it.

That's what people said about Stalin and Mao too.

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You can see many comments here justifying anti-Muslim actions of the govt by whataboutery. Now imagine that happening at scale on whatsapp/Facebook and MSM.

With most Indian family having access to smartphones, the amount of hatred and brainwashing that happens through this platform is unstoppable. Recently, Hindus were told not to buy from Muslim vendors, saying that Muslims are purposely spreading corona. Hindu sellers were provided with saffron flags for identification. Concentration camps are being built using the same people as workers, who would eventually end up in the camps. MSM openly spews anti-muslim venom during prime time. India is openly heading towards either a genocide or a civil war.

One can try their best to un-brainwash people, but one can't do much against a paid online army of twitter/whatsapp/facebook users.

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