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Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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Many here have commented on the lamentable weaknesses of this development in terms of size constraints and so forth, and on possible medical applications, which could indeed be fascinating and useful for saving lives, but what about the much darker potential of technology like this developing heavily: Basically, if we're worried about modern mass surveillance, try to imagine a situation in which nano-scale surveillan…

I'm reminded of the novel The Golden Globe, by john varley. In that novel very powerful AI handle most day to day operations of society, and it is mentioned by one of them that - technologically speaking - they could create the single most despotic and privacy-eliminating regime in human history. A place where even an individual's thoughts and emotions are no longer secret, let alone snooping on every word they ever speak. The AI then says it could do this, but it will not, and has intentionally blinded itself to all such data streams. The central intelligence refuses to examine the incoming data as it believes doing so would violate its subjects human rights. In-novel this is why the AI doesn't just tell our protagonist where the big bad is, but I've found it an interesting possible trajectory for the future. Where every word we say is monitored, but it is strictly illegal to view said monitoring.

I wonder if that is the most realistic version of a future were we still have private lives.

Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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Calling those robots is a bit misleading, because they lack self-control. Control logic we know is large for very small robots. If you want a micron-scale robot you only get about 100 transistors for its "intelligence"[1]. There are certainly things it could do, but probably not autonomously navigate, map and recognize tumors. We just don't have the expertise for those kinds of thing, at least not yet. A plethora of…

I think the question that OP (and myself) is asking is "given Magic Robots (tm), could we essentially cure cancer?" Obviously, as you note, there are enormous (or rather, extremely tiny, but very hard!) problems with this. However, it's not all doom and gloom. I could imagine that going in the 3D dimension for example, could enable another 100X increase in transistor count. In addition, you shouldn't need to actually…

Anytime I see a title starting with "scientists" did X... the history is BS

"Smart weapons" kill innocent people all the time, no matter how many times we repeat smart in their model name. GPS still lead truck drivers directly to the bottom of a lagoon.

If we can't teach a huge machine full of circuits to distinguish between an ambulance or a tank, how we can realistic trust that tiny machines, with no space at all for complex circuits, will be able to diferenciate between a tumor or our hypothalamus?

What would happen if the patient approach a magnet accidentally? Will the army of nowaybots be displaced enough cm to try to fry your pancreas assuming that they are in a different location?

Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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Many here have commented on the lamentable weaknesses of this development in terms of size constraints and so forth, and on possible medical applications, which could indeed be fascinating and useful for saving lives, but what about the much darker potential of technology like this developing heavily: Basically, if we're worried about modern mass surveillance, try to imagine a situation in which nano-scale surveillan…

I'm reminded of the novel The Golden Globe, by john varley. In that novel very powerful AI handle most day to day operations of society, and it is mentioned by one of them that - technologically speaking - they could create the single most despotic and privacy-eliminating regime in human history. A place where even an individual's thoughts and emotions are no longer secret, let alone snooping on every word they ever…

> I wonder if that is the most realistic version of a future were we still have private lives.

I think it's almost impossible for someone to build these data streams and not look at them. Look at the mass amount of surveillance every major country is participating in. Government officials in open and democratic countries have lied about the amount of surveillance they are doing, get caught, and keep the surveillance going. I think the more probabilistic future where we have private lives comes from futures where that technology is never built. This is to say, privacy is almost certainly dying.

Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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They could be powered by little rectennas, think RFID tag. Hit the bots with a radio frequency and it indict a charge and they power on and do their thing. Turn the radio off and they go inert. So they could be injected into a tumor and powered by an external radio source. In they're only powered by light a fiber optic filament could be injected in the activation site. So long as the light passes through enough tissu…

Hard to do that when the antenna size is correlated with the frequency you can use. Tiny micro bots would need really high frequency signals

A tuned antenna is correlated to frequency, a shitty antenna can be any size. In a microscopic robot needing likely µA of current an untuned antenna could be sufficient for power.

But that's me speculating, I don't know how to power an injectable micro robot. If I did the link might have been about me! RF might be completely inappropriate for power.

Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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Hard to do that when the antenna size is correlated with the frequency you can use. Tiny micro bots would need really high frequency signals

Gamma rays would work well. We can keep the existing radiation treatment equipment. /sarcasm

Your cancer is gone...but don't get angry. Like ever.

Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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I'm reminded of the novel The Golden Globe, by john varley. In that novel very powerful AI handle most day to day operations of society, and it is mentioned by one of them that - technologically speaking - they could create the single most despotic and privacy-eliminating regime in human history. A place where even an individual's thoughts and emotions are no longer secret, let alone snooping on every word they ever…

> I wonder if that is the most realistic version of a future were we still have private lives. I think it's almost impossible for someone to build these data streams and not look at them. Look at the mass amount of surveillance every major country is participating in. Government officials in open and democratic countries have lied about the amount of surveillance they are doing, get caught, and keep the surveillance…

Unless a still unknown counter-technology comes along to make privacy and individual empowerment much more concrete. Or, more conservatively, existing or near-extrapolation derivative technologies democratize enough to make surveillance far too costly for state actors without blowback.

Re: Scientists build army of a million microrobots that fit inside hypodermic needle

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Many here have commented on the lamentable weaknesses of this development in terms of size constraints and so forth, and on possible medical applications, which could indeed be fascinating and useful for saving lives, but what about the much darker potential of technology like this developing heavily: Basically, if we're worried about modern mass surveillance, try to imagine a situation in which nano-scale surveillan…

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