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Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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A 30% cut isn’t really out of line with the markup most stores or distributors put on nearly everything you buy, nor are secret business details.

I’m not trying to judge right or wrong, but hoping to point out a store taking that cut is the standard not the exception.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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So what percent DO you guys think is fair?

They can take whatever percent they want while also letting developers use alternate payment processors.

Or even better, allowing users to opt to install apps from other app stores.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

#53

So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Yeah, but in this instance we’re talking about Facebook. I could care less about what Apple charges them. I do feel for indie developers and don’t support the 30% fee, but in the case of $FB (or zoom) allow me to introduce you to the world’s tiniest violin... Also, I’m sure FB is only piling on because of the privacy changes to iOS which harm FB’s core advertising business. FB would charge 30% in a heart beat. Again,…

This money isn't going to facebook though? Facebook doesn't even take a cut of it. I imagine fb's intentions were to let the customer know that if 30% of the effective donation/payment had not gone to the recipient it wasn't fb taking a cut.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

#54

So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Apple has improved the experience of phone and software for elderly folks and kids by giving them the Apple choice, where before if you wanted to use Microsoft Office, you either did it Microsoft's way or you don't use Microsoft Office (!).

Facebook can still communicate anything they want to customers through the channels pay for. Facebook is also free to pursue any kind of financial arrangement they want with customers via channels which they can maintain and pay for.

But now through Apple's way, folks can have a one-stop shop to manage any runaway subscriptions, which is an unprecedented consumer benefit. Now folks don't need to maintain 10 different financial relationships... merely because they have 10 apps.

Before consumers only had one choice. Now they have two — Microsoft's way, or Apple's way. I'm still struggling to see how this hurts , as opposed to the overarching story that Apple takes Very Good care of their customers. Without Apple in the middle, the Microsoft and Adobe's of the world each already have enough power to force customers to do things their way.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Abuse of power? They have guidelines every developer must follow. Give one a break, what about the rest?

Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamewar style comments to HN. These threads are getting exceedingly repetitive. They're also getting nastier. We don't want those qualities here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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FB: Apple blocked us from warning small businesses that 30% of their revenue on Facebook goes to Apple. Fuck Apple. Also FB: We're a multi-billion dollar company but we can't cover the 30% ourselves because fuck Apple. Also also FB: Apple warned users that Facebook tracks them which hurts advertisers because users think tracking is awful. Fuck Apple.

Hard to feel any sympathy for these trillion dollar companies.

I'm sick of it all. Large corporations have way too much power in our world.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a community we don't have to resort to automatically criticising Facebook even when they are morally in the right

How big is each FB update? I recall they used to be hundreds of mbs, multiple times a week, times a hundred million or whatever users. I don't think that's free.

Edge caches aren't free to run, it's true. But at Apple's scale, they are not a significant expense either. It's important to understand that Apple does not pay the same retail bandwidth costs that your mvp web app does on AWS.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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All: These $BigCo vs. $BigCo threads are getting increasingly repetitive and nasty. Please don't post like that. The HN guidelines ask you not to, and every such post degrades this place for future discussion. We're trying to stave off the well-known internet phenomenon in which the site becomes nothing but repetition and anger, and the best users all leave. We want curious conversation here, so if you have a substantive point to make, please make it thoughtfully, and if you don't, please don't comment until you do.

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