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Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by justapassenger »

olliej wrote: post #15
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

This is really why the law should come down like a ton of bricks on Apple. They aren't just bleeding everyone dry, they're also trying to prevent people from realizing Apple is doing it.

FB, etc get the use of Apple's infrastructure, they get the benefits of apple providing updates to hardware for 5 years without charging consumers. That shit costs money, whether it costs 30% I don't know, but given that seems to be in the order of the charges of every other store (what % of sale price do companies get on retail sales?). The problem here is a bunch of companies have decided that they want special rul…

> FB, etc get the use of Apple's infrastructure, they get the benefits of apple providing updates to hardware for 5 years without charging consumers. > That shit costs money

Exactly. That shit costs money. And by that I mean iPhone. People pay $1000 dollars for that. It’s not a freemium game where transactions on the platform support the product. It’s one of the most expensive phones on the market, and long term update support is part of why their prices are so high.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by abjgwts »

shubhamjain wrote: post #18

So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Abuse of power? They have guidelines every developer must follow. Give one a break, what about the rest?

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by rosstex »

FB: Apple blocked us from warning small businesses that 30% of their revenue on Facebook goes to Apple. Fuck Apple.

Also FB: We're a multi-billion dollar company but we can't cover the 30% ourselves because fuck Apple.

Also also FB: Apple warned users that Facebook tracks them which hurts advertisers because users think tracking is awful. Fuck Apple.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by metric10 »

shubhamjain wrote: post #18

So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Yeah, but in this instance we’re talking about Facebook. I could care less about what Apple charges them. I do feel for indie developers and don’t support the 30% fee, but in the case of $FB (or zoom) allow me to introduce you to the world’s tiniest violin...

Also, I’m sure FB is only piling on because of the privacy changes to iOS which harm FB’s core advertising business. FB would charge 30% in a heart beat.

Again, I would do away with the 30% fee, but please find me someone other than Facebook to feel sorry for.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by baddox »

sidibe wrote: post #9
etimberg wrote: post #4

It’s almost like Apple are trying to become the villain.

Now that everyone has smart phones and phone lifetimes seem to be growing not shrinking (good job Apple) the only way for them to grow their revenue is raising the price of phones (which they've slowed down on) or "services" which are essentially milking everyone using their platform.

They’re not raising any prices on services that I’m aware of. Haven’t these policies and fees been in place for a long time?

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by echelon »

abjgwts wrote: post #32
shubhamjain wrote: post #18

So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Abuse of power? They have guidelines every developer must follow. Give one a break, what about the rest?

Trump has guidelines. It doesn't make them fair or right. And I'm not trying to be political, just draw an analogy to counter your argument.

A lot of people hold Apple in high esteem. Maybe because they like the company or the aesthetic. But think about all of the innovation and capital locked up in one place. It's bad for the world.

Edit: why am I flagged for making a polite and well intentioned argument? Nothing deserves this sort of loyalty where people are flagged for civil discourse. I'm appalled.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by CivBase »

abjgwts wrote: post #32
shubhamjain wrote: post #18

So Apple wants a 30% cut on the money that could easily go to small business owners and artists. A $2T company that makes tens of billions in profit every year can't help being as extractive as it can in the middle of pandemic when everyone is struggling. How can anyone be okay with this blatant abuse of power? How does it matter if the event is online or offline. If it's happening on a Zoom call or in a coffee shop.…

Abuse of power? They have guidelines every developer must follow. Give one a break, what about the rest?

Let the rest go as well. Would it kill Apple to make an exception for charitable purchases?

And even if they don't make an exception, it's ridiculous that they wont even let developers be transparent about where the money goes.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

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Post by olliej »

justapassenger wrote: post #31
olliej wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB, etc get the use of Apple's infrastructure, they get the benefits of apple providing updates to hardware for 5 years without charging consumers. That shit costs money, whether it costs 30% I don't know, but given that seems to be in the order of the charges of every other store (what % of sale price do companies get on retail sales?). The problem here is a bunch of companies have decided that they want special rul…

> FB, etc get the use of Apple's infrastructure, they get the benefits of apple providing updates to hardware for 5 years without charging consumers. > That shit costs money Exactly. That shit costs money. And by that I mean iPhone. People pay $1000 dollars for that. It’s not a freemium game where transactions on the platform support the product. It’s one of the most expensive phones on the market, and long term upda…

You mean like the $1000 android phones?

All the reporting I've ever said that it isn't apple's flagship phones that are most popular, it's the lower priced ones which are in the $300 range.

Re: Facebook says Apple blocked it from informing about App Store 30% fee

#40

Post by CivBase »

olliej wrote: post #15
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

This is really why the law should come down like a ton of bricks on Apple. They aren't just bleeding everyone dry, they're also trying to prevent people from realizing Apple is doing it.

FB, etc get the use of Apple's infrastructure, they get the benefits of apple providing updates to hardware for 5 years without charging consumers. That shit costs money, whether it costs 30% I don't know, but given that seems to be in the order of the charges of every other store (what % of sale price do companies get on retail sales?). The problem here is a bunch of companies have decided that they want special rul…

> FB, etc get the use of Apple's infrastructure

"Get"? Apple forces all iOS apps to use that infrastructure. Google has a much better case because the Play Store is optional, but Apple dug their own grave here.

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