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Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by jpambrun »

xphilter wrote: post #127
Voliokis wrote: post #91

What in god's name is with all the bootlickers in this thread? I have no love for Apple or Epic. But if this lawsuit leads to better treatment of third-party developers on the platform and Apple not being able to arbitrarily control what apps consumers get to download, I don't see why Epic is being painted as the "bad guy" by so many people here. Apple has been behaving in crazy anti-competitive ways (just look at ho…

Honestly, what is the difference between the App Store and Target? Why should a third party (or court) have any control in what the retailer sells?

For your analogy to make sense we would have to have alternative stores to buy iOS apps from.

If target was the only store in the world it should not be able to set itself whatever profit margin it wants..

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by mrtksn »

TheNorthman wrote: post #78
mrtksn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish every damn micro transaction app gets removed one day. What’s the alternative? I’m in love with the micro transactions model because the alternative is experience destroyed by ads or high upfront fees. On the games I play I rarely buy anything, don’t see ads but their business is healthy and the games are fantastic and regularly updated with new content. I casually play Asphalt 9, SimCity BuildIt and PUBG, p…

> I rarely buy anything, don’t see ads but their business is healthy Where do you think the money comes from, then? Ultimately, your `fantastic' experience comes at the cost of innumerable singular sites of suffering from the children and addicts _who do_ buy them.

Good for them. There are controls for kids and if some people subsidize the rest, I don’t have a problem with that.

Some people taking the tab for the rest isn’t new. Some people have more money than sense, that’s alright.

These games are high quality entertainment, if some people want to spend money on them, that’s not a bad thing.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by gambiting »

icebraining wrote: post #124
gambiting wrote: post #98

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Weeeeell.....yes, except that Epic has Tencent behind their back, and while Apple is still bigger, Tencent isn't that far behind.

True, but how much is Tencent really willing to dump behind this fight? There's only so much upside for them even if Epic wins.

I guess that's what remains to be seen. But Epic seems to be throwing their most valuable property at it right now, so they must have some degree of confidence that a larger player will back them on this.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by godzillabrennus »

leptoniscool wrote: post #24

Apple is a monopoly. When Microsoft was investigated and fined for anti-trust behaviors, it hasn't engaged in this level of abuse.

Android is another phone platform with a larger market share. This is hardly a monopoly.

Don’t buy an ios device if you want apps from vendors who don’t play by apples rules.

I hate the 30% fee as a developer and a user.

I was an ios jail breaker before the App Store launched. I used jailbreaking after the App Store launched to have a control panel and fast app switching. All that got baked into ios but I wish new innovations could make their way to the platform with an unofficial store.

I think that would ultimately be better for consumers.

That’s long term better for Apple.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by TotempaaltJ »

anonymousab wrote: post #121
chrisco255 wrote: post #68

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Ultimately if Apple bends if will be good for the users in the long run. That's what matters. And if Apple doesn't bend, we need antitrust action against these monopolies anyways.

If Apple bends it will be to settle and cut a special deal with Epic. They will never let it go far enough to truly threaten their walled garden.

I don't know that that's gonna be enough for Sweeney at this point.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by Touche »

dogma1138 wrote: post #83
radley wrote: post #66

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Really? That's so strange. I swear I thought I could buy XBox games from other stores like Amazon, Target, and Walmart if Microsoft were to kick them out of their store. I can even buy used games on CraigsList. How are they acting the same?

Microsoft takes about the same cut regardless of the distribution method.

Does Microsoft dictate what a publisher can charge for games on other platforms? Because Apple does.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

apazzolini wrote: post #120
nojito wrote: post #108

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They built the platform. They maintain the platform. They promote the platform. What's arbitrary about that?

It's disingenuous to claim Apple built and promoted the platform by themselves - third party developers are a huge reason behind iOS's success, and the iPhone wouldn't be what it is today if it only had first-party apps.

And? Those third party developers have already been compensated fully based on the terms they agreed to when they contributed to the platform. Apple owes them nothing at this point. Obviously it is probably in Apple's best interest to treat them fairly, but that is up to Apple to decide.

And to respond to GP. This has nothing to do with "bootlicking". The same thing should apply regardless of the company.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by grumple »

> This is unfair to all other developers in the App Store and makes users suffer from conflict.

Is this not a confession that paying Apple’s cut makes competitor’s less competitive? Possibly hints that this is a market, but not a free one? Seems like language you’d want to avoid when facing anti trust cases.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by gpm »

TheNorthman wrote: post #27
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #10

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The irony here is that PUBG is made with the Unreal Engine, which they're being forced by a judge not to cut off from their platform, and Epic still gets 5% of all revenue from PUBG.

They're not being forced to do anything, it's a temporary injunction, i.e. just a remedy. What's noteworthy here is that it's not a preliminary injunction, meaning that Apple might not even have had the chance to defend themselves in court yet.

> They're not being forced to do anything,

It's literally a court order forcing them to not do things that they said they were going to do

A new court order will be issued in the future, but for at least the next month this is the state of things.

> meaning that Apple might not even have had the chance to defend themselves in court yet.

The hearing was literally livestreamed on zoom and (illegally I might add) on youtube.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by input_sh »

Voliokis wrote: post #91

What in god's name is with all the bootlickers in this thread? I have no love for Apple or Epic. But if this lawsuit leads to better treatment of third-party developers on the platform and Apple not being able to arbitrarily control what apps consumers get to download, I don't see why Epic is being painted as the "bad guy" by so many people here. Apple has been behaving in crazy anti-competitive ways (just look at ho…

I'm with you. They're both billions of dollars worth companies arguing about who should get which percentage of additional millions of dollars of profit.

I'm not invested at all in this debate, but I do silently hope that Epic succeeds purely for the little guys who may benefit from that.

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