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Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by gameswithgo »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #29
MBCook wrote: post #15

I gotta say I really thought Epic would blink and comply. I guess I underestimated their resolve. It’s not like their lawsuit wouldn’t continue if they put Fortnite back in the App Store.

Two things: One: Epic Games is 40% owned by Tencent.[1] I'll reserve my opinion here an suggest others use this as a point of discussion to explore what we believe this might mean . Two: Media attention is everything in the court of public opinion. 1. Tencent Holdings Ltd is a Chinese multinational conglomerate holding company, founded in 1998, the world's largest video game company, one of the world's most financial…

tim sweeny is 51%

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by makecheck »

modeless wrote: post #17
makecheck wrote: post #3

Of all the things about this, the fact that the Fortnite competitor PUBG is now being “featured” by Apple just ticks me off so much. Talk about being petty. Are there school-aged children running the App Store now (or the executive suite?). I realize Apple has the right to decide who they feature but come on . Being featured is important , it’s a big deal and it can make a serious difference to any developer’s income…

The App Store promotes PUBG constantly [1]. You're reading too much into this. It would be silly for Apple to promote PUBG to spite Epic because it's made with Unreal Engine. [1] https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aappstore%20pubgmobile&sr...

Based on that thread, the last time they did it was in May, and the latest was yesterday. Furthermore, they’re promoting a sneak peek so they could have easily waited to promote something that isn’t even here yet. The timing makes it pretty clear that they’re just trying to beat up Epic, and it’s an immature thing for a company to do.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by madeofpalk »

hnarayanan wrote: post #30
leptoniscool wrote: post #24

Apple is a monopoly. When Microsoft was investigated and fined for anti-trust behaviors, it hasn't engaged in this level of abuse.

In what metric is Apple a monopoly?

Epic asserts that they maintain an illegal monopoly of iOS app distribution.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by nobodyshere »

hnarayanan wrote: post #30
leptoniscool wrote: post #24

Apple is a monopoly. When Microsoft was investigated and fined for anti-trust behaviors, it hasn't engaged in this level of abuse.

In what metric is Apple a monopoly?

In having App Store as the only way to install common apps for their devices.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by m3kw9 »

MBCook wrote: post #15

I gotta say I really thought Epic would blink and comply. I guess I underestimated their resolve. It’s not like their lawsuit wouldn’t continue if they put Fortnite back in the App Store.

You bet they are blinking right about now, looking at each other. But I bet they’ve also planned for this scenario, and is getting close to the worse case.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by colinmhayes »

oneplane wrote: post #20

Not sure why people are surprised or consider it giant news. > The court recommended that Epic follow the App Store’s guidelines and policies while the case is in progress – the rules they followed over the past ten years until they created the current situation themselves. Epic refused. Well duh, this is a show match court fight of Epic Games not liking the rules and not getting the special treatment they want. No m…

> The whole goal of two post-capitalism enterprises having a fit is for one or more of them to make more money. The whole "it is good for consumers" or "good for developers" is just sprinkles and marketing to appeal to the public. Separate the issues and angles and see it for what it is: just a bunch of legal departments having a fight.

I don't think this means I shouldn't vehemently support companies when their policy advances my interests.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by dogma1138 »

MaximumMadness wrote: post #21

Apple is truly doing themselves a disservice here, if Epic wins this battle Apple will undoubtedly be painted as the bad guy, and other major companies will smell blood in the water when it comes taking down a competitor. Case in point; Tinder, Microsoft, Facebook, Spotify have all openly backed Epic and started to call attention to features that are impacted by this 30% fee. Status quo isn't going to cut it, and it…

Microsoft takes 30% on Xbox plus its much more expensive to develop and publish on that platform overall.

Neither Tinder nor Spotify will transfer any savings to the end users.

Spotify has been ramping their sub costs considerably my sub went up by like 150% in the UK over the past 3-4 years.

Tinder employs discriminatory pricing by charging certain genders, age groups and sexual orientations more for their premium services.

How Tinder hasn’t been sued to oblivion I’m still not sure it seems to violate even US anti discrimination laws, I guess were lucky that they don’t employ differential pricing based on race yet.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by john-shaffer »

NathanKP wrote: post #4
makecheck wrote: post #3

Of all the things about this, the fact that the Fortnite competitor PUBG is now being “featured” by Apple just ticks me off so much. Talk about being petty. Are there school-aged children running the App Store now (or the executive suite?). I realize Apple has the right to decide who they feature but come on . Being featured is important , it’s a big deal and it can make a serious difference to any developer’s income…

To be honest Apple has to feature PUBG, because this fight with Epic is hugely damaging to their reputation with the next generation of kids who want devices. The message that young preteens and teens are hearing is "iPhones and iPads are wack because they don't have the cool game". They don't care about the cost of v-bucks and who gets what percentage of the money. They just care that they can't play a game but thei…

Linux gaming is actually really solid now thanks to Lutris, DXVK, WINE, Steam, etc. Lutris especially makes it all work smoothly, and apparently it's Linux-only. Could Mac have similar gaming support if it were less hostile to OSS?

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by oneplane »

jacquesm wrote: post #46
oneplane wrote: post #20

Not sure why people are surprised or consider it giant news. > The court recommended that Epic follow the App Store’s guidelines and policies while the case is in progress – the rules they followed over the past ten years until they created the current situation themselves. Epic refused. Well duh, this is a show match court fight of Epic Games not liking the rules and not getting the special treatment they want. No m…

> just a bunch of legal departments having a fight. At the expense of the users, in both the figurative and the literal sense of the word.

Perhaps, but that is nothing new, now is it? I'm not sure why this case would be special... it's definitely not the scale, numbers or competition, because those are practically the same on plenty of other (non-IT) inter-corporate schemes. Just because you don't hear about them as much doesn't mean they aren't bigger or less relevant.

Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by echelon »

hnarayanan wrote: post #30
leptoniscool wrote: post #24

Apple is a monopoly. When Microsoft was investigated and fined for anti-trust behaviors, it hasn't engaged in this level of abuse.

In what metric is Apple a monopoly?

iPhone is the only computer many Americans own.

Software development and access to American consumers is no longer free and open.

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