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Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Probably not. These rules were put in place to prevent spies from using HAM to exfil data during the Cold War. Really I think it should be something that should be revisited but I don't know how the 3 letter agency's would like a method of communication that they can't access.

Preventing commercial use is still a major argument used.

I see that raised a lot as a concern but I can’t imagine it has any legs nowadays.

Previously, in the 1980’s, yes I could see a Taxi/Plumber/etc using amateur radio equipment as a cheaper workaround for their business, but now it’s so much cheaper (and better) to use cellular or, if you really needed business radios they aren’t crazy expensive as they once were.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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One factor that I bring up whenever the “ham radio is dying” discussion happen is the FCC public database and safety/doxxing, specifically for marginalized communities such as Trans individuals and Black folks. It, itself, is creating a safety concern in modern society for people that may want to join the hobby but fear doxxing and harassment.

If I give out my call sign on the Internet (or on the air) you now know my real name, address, and every past address I’ve ever used. So let’s say I registers as Bob Smith at 123 Fake St 4 years ago, and now I go by Susan Smith at 456 Example Blvd you’d know all that information with a simple lookup.

The only real semi-workaround is when someone first licenses (and you probably don’t know this at first) is to use a PO Box, otherwise any address change will be on record.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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> 3. I have to learn technical and cultural nuance of Ham before being allowed to speak Could I ask what this item means? That you needed a license, or is it possible that the repeater somehow enforced a class?

There's no technical enforcement of this. I think this is just referring to the general conventions of the way people speak on ham radio, which is different.

And varies widely.

Our club/repeaters don't have any obvious "cultural" norms or rules. Announcing your call sign as required by FCC ham rules is about the only obvious rule.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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This is why I've swerved off of getting into HAM. By popular perception (in my circles, and perception doesn't necessarily reflect reality) it's a chatroom for boomers (not necessarily a bad thing) waiting to report you to the FCC for any kind of experimentation (a bad thing), with a cost of entry of at least a hundred dollars for equipment that supports a fixed set of protocols with a very narrow use-case. Radio jus…

> waiting to report you to the FCC for any kind of experimentation (a bad thing), This is what always kept me away from HAM Radios. Everyone I knew that was into it was a huge stickler about the rules and would talk about all the bad stuff that should happen to rule breakers. It was pretty unnerving.

One of the express purposes of the amateur radio service is to facilitate experimentation and innovation in radio technology, and the FCC grants special licenses for that purpose all the time. There's a significant amount of harm you can do with a radio, so willfully causing interference to other radio services will earn you a hefty penalty. You should definitely get into amateur radio if you have an interest, and maybe look into some of the instances the FCC actually issued fines - if you're not out to cause harm you have nothing to worry about.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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One factor that I bring up whenever the “ham radio is dying” discussion happen is the FCC public database and safety/doxxing, specifically for marginalized communities such as Trans individuals and Black folks. It, itself, is creating a safety concern in modern society for people that may want to join the hobby but fear doxxing and harassment. If I give out my call sign on the Internet (or on the air) you now know my…

With my last address change, I used a PO Box. My current physical address isn't listed in the FCC database (or qrz.com) and I use my PO Box everywhere else. You can find past addresses easily but not my current. I like it that way for the very reasons you've mentioned.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Preventing commercial use is still a major argument used.

I see that raised a lot as a concern but I can’t imagine it has any legs nowadays. Previously, in the 1980’s, yes I could see a Taxi/Plumber/etc using amateur radio equipment as a cheaper workaround for their business, but now it’s so much cheaper (and better) to use cellular or, if you really needed business radios they aren’t crazy expensive as they once were.

There's a ton of people using BaoFeng radios without a license. Every once in a while, some ignorant middle manager at a larger company buys a bunch and the FCC cites them.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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Ham radio, the way boomers practice it, is very expensive and gatekeepey. I don't have money for some fancy expensive SDR. Also, I'm sorry, but the ham radio community these days is not actually that technically savvy. Most largely know enough to get their license. There's a weird crossover between the free energy community and preppers and ham radio. A lot just get their license and get expensive rigs and compare them. If I wanna get at the good engineers and have good technical chats, I just go to the extra-only bands but that's even more gatekeepey.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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I'm curious as to why you would bother with HAM. It used to give you something that wasn't available otherwise, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time. There are plenty of ways to communicate with whoever you want, however you want, whenever you want and completely encrypted too! I see a lot of anecdotes of special distaster cases when HAM was the magical solution, but I don't remember normal communicatio…

> I see a lot of anecdotes of special distaster cases when HAM was the magical solution, but I don't remember normal communications infrastructure not being available for the last 30 years. Perhaps this is more of a thing in sparsely populated countries?

I'm in North America somewhere densely populated that you could reasonably expect a massive earthquake to hit.

Nobody realistically expects that this will be an issue any time soon. It hasn't been in the past 30 years, and hopefully won't be for the next 30. The government here _does_ prepare for it because it would be irresponsible not to. It's at the same level as maintaining a stockpile of medical supplies to prepare for a one-in-a-hundred year pandemic. Looks silly until it doesn't and tens or hundreds of thousands of people die following a disaster due to a lack of preparedness. And in this case, "preparing" is basically letting a bunch of volunteers provide these services largely for free.

I volunteer with an organization that is integrated into the disaster response planning at multiple levels of government and with the local police. The group spends a lot of time building out and maintaining backup communication infrastructure throughout the area as an integrated part of the emergency response plans. Not just with amateur radio, but with satellite phones, the police radio systems, some of the regional backup radio systems the government maintains, some of the city departments' independent radio systems, etc. We're tied into it all. There's another group here that maintains a microwave link from within the city to 250 miles outside of it that provides communication outside of the potentially impacted area.

Our systems are the _only_ point to point communication systems left in the city as far as I know. Every city radio relies on a repeater or system of repeaters. The police radios are all cells with a physical back haul between sites. We have systems tied in at most main city services, community centers, the regional staging areas, etc and plans for how to get the appropriate information where it needs to go and people trained to do so if it ever needs to be turned on. The tie-ins with the other radio systems at points throughout the city allow us to act as a backup route if for some reason part becomes segmented and direct communication isn't possible. No matter how bad the physical damage, our system will be working as long as there are people still alive.

Some people volunteer at a soup kitchen or animal shelter. Myself and a couple hundred others use our technical skills volunteering to maintain a resilient communication backbone for the community.

And I mean... it's fun?

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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I assume you're being downvoted because of the terms you're using, but you're not wrong. Extra class licensee here. On phone (Single Sideband "SSB" or FM typically, for those not familiar with the terminology, where you use radio for voice rather than data/Morse) I've heard all kinds of absolutely reprehensible things. In one single conversation where a man was ranting about mask mandates, he managed to throw in dero…

You want to hear some of the crap I hear on 2m in London UK. I dumped my HT in the end so I don’t get annoyed. CW and FT8 are generally best if you don’t want to deal with that sort. CW is much harder to put the effort in to be a dick and FT8 doesn’t have being a dick built into the protocol.

I love FT8/FT4. It's a safe place for introverts and those turned off by the vitriol on phone to experiment with propagation and get awards. But I want phone to be a safe place, too.

Re: Ham radio is not dying, it's evolving

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I wanted this essay to offer some hope and I was greatly disappointed. I've been a ham for over fifty years and an ARRL member for even longer. This guy compares learning Morse code to learning a foreign language! How does learning the alphabet, numbers and a little punctuation compare to learning a language? When I started over half of us built our own rigs, now it's probably 5%. When you were a kid few adults took…

> This guy compares learning Morse code to learning a foreign language! How does learning the alphabet, numbers and a little punctuation compare to learning a language?

I got my General license last year and this month I decided to give CW a try. I do have to say that as an absolute beginner developing my listening skills brings me back to when I was first learning Spanish in high school and how much effort it took to figure out where words started and ended. Obviously it's not quite as hard because you don't need to learn a large vocabulary, but don't brush it off as trivial.

> When I started over half of us built our own rigs, now it's probably 5%.

I think this has much more to do with economics and the progress of technology than it has to do with lack of interest. The Antique Wireless Museum recently posted a series of videos on their YouTube channel on the history of amateur radio and one of the things I learned was that before the 1950s commercially-produced transmitters for the amateur radio bands largely weren't a thing, so building them yourself was pretty much a requirement to get into the hobby.

Additionally, up to the 1960s commercial electronics were largely still made entirely of discrete components hand-wired point-to-point which was a very labor-intensive method of construction. If you bought the parts yourself or you bought a kit you would be doing pretty much exactly the same thing they would be doing in the factory but on your own time, giving you large savings of money since you weren't paying for someone else's labor. Since then electronics manufacturing has advanced greatly: PCBs, surface mount components, pick-and-place machines, wave soldering, integrated circuits, etc. Many electronics devices you buy today would be much, much harder to try to build in a DIY environment than they would in a factory, even with a kit, and the labor costs are so much less due to these innovations (and overseas manufacturing) that you don't get the savings you once did.

I see the surge in interest in SDRs (which bring the infinite malleability of software to radio at zero marginal cost once you have the SDR itself) as a sign that this interest in DIY never went away, it's just the accessibility of it that did.

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