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Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by insickness »

Larrikin wrote: post #13
ArkVark wrote: post #2

What about deplatforming BLM, which seems to be the major driver for this unrest and criminal activity? As can be seen clearly in the video, the 17 year old was running away and defending himself against multiple attackers, some of whom were themselves armed.

Why does a 17 year old have an illegal fire arm? Do criminals who have shot someone get to use self defense as an excuse for shooting more people that are trying to stop them?

Firearms are not illegal in Wisconsin. It is open carry. As for Rittenhouse being underage, there are exceptions for guns and rifles for 16 and 17 year olds.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wiscons...

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by huntermeyer »

Covzire wrote: post #10
ArkVark wrote: post #2

What about deplatforming BLM, which seems to be the major driver for this unrest and criminal activity? As can be seen clearly in the video, the 17 year old was running away and defending himself against multiple attackers, some of whom were themselves armed.

The media inverts everything, it's how they make money right now and it's awful. CNN anchors are literally one Baghdad Bob after another. The most hilarious memes right now are those with "mostly peaceful" protests where behind the anchor huge fires are raging.

When I hear people say "mostly peaceful" when referring to the protests and "a few bad apples" when referring to police I like to remind them of the fact that the peaceful majority are irrelevant when there are radicals in their ranks.

Just look back at the lesson of history. https://youtu.be/YnOF7y-KuHE?t=127

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by hpoe »

tedivm wrote: post #45
hpoe wrote: post #43

So what happened in Kenosha was tragic, and I don't think the issue is as cut and dry as either side would have you believe. But my concern is I felt like this was inevitable, and will continue. I know the BLM protests are politically charged, but the problem is that there are many people's whose livelihoods and business are being permanently put out of commission and communities that are being devastated by the the…

There's a simple solution here- stop the police from murdering black people. If a house burns down it can be rebuilt, but you can't rebuild the lives ended by white supremacy in our police departments.

I agree police reform is needed, but the rioting doesn't seem like a good way to deliver this message and will instead make enemies of those who could otherwise be allies.

I mean what does some guy who owns a furniture shop in Seattle have to do with a police officer shooting someone in Chicago?

At this point I fear that the good that could come from this is being drowned out by the violence and the destruction and if it continues it will be counter-productive to the movement.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by alexilliamson »

derision wrote: post #33
wavefunction wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see some evidence that BLM is the major driver for any criminal activities or "unrest." Instead it seems to be the continued extrajudicial killings and woundings of American citizens that always seems to proceed these protests and the frankly appalling reaction of American law enforcement to some criticism and democratic attempts to reform what is supposed to be a constructive and positive institution in…

This most recent incident in Kenosha was not "extrajudicial". The man had a knife and a fireman and was not complying with the officers. And in either case, that is not a situation that justifies burning buildings and destroying properties. Anarchy is not a solution to any problem.

5 days of riots after MLKs death got us a landmark civil rights bill.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by huntermeyer »

Larrikin wrote: post #13
ArkVark wrote: post #2

What about deplatforming BLM, which seems to be the major driver for this unrest and criminal activity? As can be seen clearly in the video, the 17 year old was running away and defending himself against multiple attackers, some of whom were themselves armed.

Why does a 17 year old have an illegal fire arm? Do criminals who have shot someone get to use self defense as an excuse for shooting more people that are trying to stop them?

Someone answered your first question. I'll answer your second.

In many US-states, if a convicted felon (barred from owning a gun) uses a gun in self-defense (say defending against an intruder) they can still be charged with illegal possession. In fact, even more stringent, say their spouse used the gun, and the felon had access to it, they can be charged with what's called constructive possession of a firearm.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by xlm1717 »

z9e wrote: post #31
Areibman wrote: post #16

What is "slam" even supposed to mean? Sounds like a handful of employees just left some disapproving remarks on a company live stream, but that's it. There's only two quotes in the entire article.

Yeah, typically when I see "slam" or "destroy" in the title like this I know it's not going to meet the expectations of that word. These words are so overused these days in headlines.

They only differ in magnitude from "criticize", but they're all the same thing. They seem overused because everyone is deconstructing everything these days.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by dazilcher »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #12
ArkVark wrote: post #2

What about deplatforming BLM, which seems to be the major driver for this unrest and criminal activity? As can be seen clearly in the video, the 17 year old was running away and defending himself against multiple attackers, some of whom were themselves armed.

Are you talking about the armed teenager who drove 12 miles across state lines and put his armed self in a dangerous situation willingly? Not sure you get to call it self-defense at that time

Do I still get to call it rape if the victim was dressed provocatively though?

You can disagree with his motivation all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that he was being attacked while retreating, and there's a reasonable case to be made for his life being in danger (taking hits to the head while on the ground).

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by nickff »

JamisonM wrote: post #50
nickff wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that excessive blaming will foster high levels of risk aversion, as seen in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304275

This is a case of advocating to suppress one kind of speech because it will lead to the suppression of another kind of speech. So maybe there isn't a problem here? If the act of criticizing Facebook changes Facebook's behaviour because we've observed people are doing bad things linked to Facebook's current practices that is just the marketplace of ideas in action, isn't it?

>"This is a case of advocating to suppress one kind of speech because it will lead to the suppression of another kind of speech. So maybe there isn't a problem here?"

>"If the act of criticizing Facebook changes Facebook's behaviour because we've observed people are doing bad things linked to Facebook's current practices that is just the marketplace of ideas in action, isn't it?"

I don't understand what you're trying to say; perhaps you could clarify what you mean by adding some punctuation to your second paragraph.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Post by crocodiletears »

tedivm wrote: post #45
hpoe wrote: post #43

So what happened in Kenosha was tragic, and I don't think the issue is as cut and dry as either side would have you believe. But my concern is I felt like this was inevitable, and will continue. I know the BLM protests are politically charged, but the problem is that there are many people's whose livelihoods and business are being permanently put out of commission and communities that are being devastated by the the…

There's a simple solution here- stop the police from murdering black people. If a house burns down it can be rebuilt, but you can't rebuild the lives ended by white supremacy in our police departments.

You're right, but calling it a 'simple solution' is disingenuous. We have decades of structural racism, policing legislation, ill-considered training regimes, and cultural bias to correct for in a federated system whose stakeholders are notoriously contemptuous of top-down approaches, and who's legislative actors avoid being responsible for any decisions with consequences like the plague.

You might as well say solving conflict in the middle-east is as simple as turning every government there into a functioning liberal democracy.

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