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Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

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Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#31

What is "slam" even supposed to mean? Sounds like a handful of employees just left some disapproving remarks on a company live stream, but that's it. There's only two quotes in the entire article.

Yeah, typically when I see "slam" or "destroy" in the title like this I know it's not going to meet the expectations of that word.

These words are so overused these days in headlines.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#32

What is "slam" even supposed to mean? Sounds like a handful of employees just left some disapproving remarks on a company live stream, but that's it. There's only two quotes in the entire article.

It’s a buzzfeed article - which HN should seriously consider banning. For whatever reason it’s a source that seems to come up here often, but they lack even the most basic journalistic integrity.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#33
post #2

What about deplatforming BLM, which seems to be the major driver for this unrest and criminal activity? As can be seen clearly in the video, the 17 year old was running away and defending himself against multiple attackers, some of whom were themselves armed.

I'd like to see some evidence that BLM is the major driver for any criminal activities or "unrest." Instead it seems to be the continued extrajudicial killings and woundings of American citizens that always seems to proceed these protests and the frankly appalling reaction of American law enforcement to some criticism and democratic attempts to reform what is supposed to be a constructive and positive institution in…

This most recent incident in Kenosha was not "extrajudicial". The man had a knife and a fireman and was not complying with the officers. And in either case, that is not a situation that justifies burning buildings and destroying properties. Anarchy is not a solution to any problem.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#34
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about the armed teenager who drove 12 miles across state lines and put his armed self in a dangerous situation willingly? Not sure you get to call it self-defense at that time

What's the significance of 12 miles here?

The fact that he illegally transported a gun over state lines to "defend" a community he wasn't part of and which didn't want him there to begin with.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#35
post #20
post #2

What about deplatforming BLM, which seems to be the major driver for this unrest and criminal activity? As can be seen clearly in the video, the 17 year old was running away and defending himself against multiple attackers, some of whom were themselves armed.

Pro tip: Fox news viewers are ill-informed. You may want to consider opening your mind a bit more. https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-sci...

What a pretentious comment. I'm not in favour of deplatforming either BLM or QAnon, even though I do agree with the GP in this case. Maybe you should consider the fact that other people have valid opinions, just because you don't think they're correct.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#36
Banning militia groups or similar groups or speech has upfront benefits but hidden costs.

Facebook taking responsibility for such activity will inevitably to other very difficult decisions down the road.

One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter. There are many such conflicts all over the world, and at a certain point no objective criteria can be used to censure.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#37
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about the armed teenager who drove 12 miles across state lines and put his armed self in a dangerous situation willingly? Not sure you get to call it self-defense at that time

What's the significance of 12 miles here?

I am not sure either, but it actually diminishes the significance of the drive in my eyes, as 12 miles doesn't seem very far. I would assume that 'across state lines' was more than '12 miles'.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#38

Could we stop trying to make Facebook responsible for every damn thing that happens?

I know you are posting an unpopular opinion, but I agree. Facebook has become a straw man for a lot of issues that we as a society are just too lazy to grapple with. So we just use outlets like Twitter, Facebook, etc as outlets. Meanwhile we seem to let traditional media completely off the hook. When in some cases (imo) they are quietly cheering for unrest because it makes for great TV/news.

It seems to me that traditional media has not been algorithmically promoting QAnon or Militia groups to their viewers and that difference is extremely important.

Holding broadcasters accountable is easier than holding "narrowcasters" like Facebook accountable because you don't see what narrowcasters are promoting. But when you do find out you see that it is things that broadcasters would never push both for ethical and commercial reasons. This is important to consider.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#39

What is "slam" even supposed to mean? Sounds like a handful of employees just left some disapproving remarks on a company live stream, but that's it. There's only two quotes in the entire article.

> "Sunday Sunday Sunday, Come on down to the Slam-a-torium and watch Zuckerberg cage-fight his own employees!"

Sorry, these sort of headlines remind me of WWE wrestling ads.

Re: Facebook Employees Slam Zuckerberg over Militia Groups and QAnon After Kenosha

#40
post #7

> “At what point do we take responsibility for enabling hate filled bile to spread across our services?” As long as there's so much money to be made, Facebook has no incentive to. As long as they know they can give you and other developers the generous salary/options/perks and you will complain at an all hands but not actually leave, they have even less incentive to. Talk is cheap, even from employees, and the execut…

This.

I don't like it anymore than anyone else, but hate filled bile is profitable. Hate filled bile can earn you money. It can earn you votes. It can earn you power.

While FB may not care about votes or power, they are in business to earn money. They have expenses, as HN User gavman alluded to. Until better ways to make money present themselves, we can expect most social media firms to flirt with controversy. Because things haven't changed much from the newspaper era with respect to the bleeding doing the majority of the lede-ing.

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