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Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

polemic wrote: post #329
ShakataGaNai wrote: post #305

I've been interested in eink displays and eink readers for a long time. Kindle owner since version 1. But... Is the ReMarkable really worth $500 ($400 + the $100 pencil which seems like a requirement)? For that amount you're getting a low end iPad which has greatly wider use cases. I understand that for the "paper on pencil" feel an iPad is no where near... but then again you can also just write using real paper and…

I co-work with an architect who loves his ReMarkable 1. He'll do initial sketches on it, keep meeting notes, read contract docs etc on it, and so on. It's an ideal "work support" device for what he does, vs an iPad which can do everything _if_ you find a good app, but still won't do those things as well, and is full of distractions like notifications and other anti-productivity cruft.

iPad has a remarkable number of Pro apps for note taking, drawing, architecture, design, and so on. There are screen protectors that try to create the paper feeling for the screen. I love my Apple for drawing and note taking

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by svat »

m12k wrote: post #636
svat wrote: post #415

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I've been using the RM1 for a few months. The screen and UI responsiveness are both fine. What is astonishingly slow is their ereader implementation. Basically, the model is something like this: • The ReMarkable is primarily like a sheet of paper you can write on (or a paper notepad). • This "sheet of paper" can also have a background template (like dots, a grid, or an arbitrary image), different for every page. (You…

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the PDFs and EPUBs being rasterized - that's always happening with anything that is displayed on a screen. Do you mean that it is converted to a raster format and stored like that? (outside of a frame buffer that is)

Yes, there seems to be a cache somewhere. They have a nice trick: when you flip pages, a lower-resolution cached image renders and you can immediately start reading/writing, before being (almost immediately) replaced by the actual-resolution one. (See about 15:15 to 20:00 in this video: https://youtu.be/YWLJPyTrHnM?t=915)

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by svat »

beowulfey wrote: post #624
svat wrote: post #415

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I've been using the RM1 for a few months. The screen and UI responsiveness are both fine. What is astonishingly slow is their ereader implementation. Basically, the model is something like this: • The ReMarkable is primarily like a sheet of paper you can write on (or a paper notepad). • This "sheet of paper" can also have a background template (like dots, a grid, or an arbitrary image), different for every page. (You…

For PDFs, any chance you’ve tried reading science journal articles on it? I’m thinking this could be a great way to finally get a greener way to read on paper without printing, but I’m worried its still annoying to do.

Yes, I've read quite a few maths and CS journal articles and conference papers on it, including some two-column ones. Things I'd have previously printed on paper. It's a good substitute (I'm happy, and I'm reading more, as this device can help me stay away from laptop/phone), with a couple of caveats:

- The screen size is slightly smaller than a regular A4 or Letter sized sheet of paper. You can go to "Adjust View" on the reMarkable and choose a smaller region of each page to fill the available screen (i.e., get rid of the margins and header/footer), which increases the size a bit.

- Academic papers often have footnotes / references on the last page or two, and if you care about them you'll want to flip back and forth (or in some cases you may also want to flip between two separate documents), which is quite a bit more annoying on this device than it would be on paper. Using https://github.com/ddvk/remarkable-hacks adds some features that make it better.

On the plus side, on this device I feel more free to write on it and mark up etc (can always undo / erase cleanly), while on paper (even printouts, let alone books) I somehow hesitate a bit more.

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Post by jlbnjmn »

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #305

I've been interested in eink displays and eink readers for a long time. Kindle owner since version 1. But... Is the ReMarkable really worth $500 ($400 + the $100 pencil which seems like a requirement)? For that amount you're getting a low end iPad which has greatly wider use cases. I understand that for the "paper on pencil" feel an iPad is no where near... but then again you can also just write using real paper and…

10,000 sketches/scratch papers/PDFs in your hand.

Bigger than a Kindle, syncs with phone/laptop, doesn't feel like screen time.

For me it replaced a small whiteboard, printer paper, planner, and sketchpads.

If you do storyboarding, wireframing, process mapping, planning, or frequent note taking, it's brilliant.

To my knowledge, it's the best thinking tool available.

Edit: it's also brilliant for meeting notes.

Also, anything backlit is a non-starter for me. Too much screen time and I love working outside.

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Post by apricot »

avel wrote: post #180
apricot wrote: post #101

Could I connect this thing to my computer and use it as a whiteboard in a Zoom meeting, or something like that?

https://www.reddit.com/r/RemarkableTablet/comments/g0y2j2/ov... Check https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable for more open source projects.

Thank you! So in a nutshell, it's doable through VNC (among other solutions), but there's noticeable lag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkSVVwZO9o has a demo.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

nucleardog wrote: post #574
ShakataGaNai wrote: post #305

I've been interested in eink displays and eink readers for a long time. Kindle owner since version 1. But... Is the ReMarkable really worth $500 ($400 + the $100 pencil which seems like a requirement)? For that amount you're getting a low end iPad which has greatly wider use cases. I understand that for the "paper on pencil" feel an iPad is no where near... but then again you can also just write using real paper and…

Yeah, every time I see the ReMarkable anywhere I'm like "I'd love to have one of these." and I go look at their website and it's $600 and I realize I already own a kindle and a paper notebook and never buy one. I'm sure it's great, but for something sold as, as far as I can tell, a notebook replacement, it's... a little crazy it seems? Like, no amount of better is gonna be $570 better than my paper notebook.

Can your paper notebook read PDF’s?

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Post by nucleardog »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #676
nucleardog wrote: post #574

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Yeah, every time I see the ReMarkable anywhere I'm like "I'd love to have one of these." and I go look at their website and it's $600 and I realize I already own a kindle and a paper notebook and never buy one. I'm sure it's great, but for something sold as, as far as I can tell, a notebook replacement, it's... a little crazy it seems? Like, no amount of better is gonna be $570 better than my paper notebook.

Can your paper notebook read PDF’s?

No but the kindle I picked up for $30 can and, from the sounds of it, better. Is the ReMarkable $540 better than a kindle and a notebook?

If I really need to annotate PDFs, is the ReMarkable really $600 better than the tablets they're literally giving away for free these days?

If I really need to run arbitrary software on something that I can also use to read and annotate PDFs, is the ReMarkable really competitive against an entire Core i5 laptop with a touchscreen and stylus?

Yes, the ReMarkable has a one of a kind writing experience. I'm not arguing it's not better in certain aspects than the alternatives. But the premium here seems absolutely nuts.

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Post by Kudos »

jinnko wrote: post #653
Kudos wrote: post #434

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Boox are GPL violators though.

> Boox are GPL violators though. Hadn't heard of this. Can you provide some references? A quick DDG search didn't turn up anything.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hl09g7/onyx_boox_chi...

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

zaksoup wrote: post #132
jm_l wrote: post #105

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You would definitely notice a 21ms lag while writing. Ideally you want to get below 10ms, but for physical-object-like responsiveness 1ms is the standard. See this old video from Microsoft research which demonstrates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

I just watched the video and maybe I missed it but doesn't that mean that in order to have 1ms latency you'd have to have a screen refresh rate of 1000 frames per second? That seems like it would cause serious cost increases for displays, controllers, and graphics cards.

You can cheat, Samsung was just bragging about this earlier in August when they showed off the new Note and smart pen. They used AI to predict where the user was likely to move the pen next to cut the perceived latency even further, some really clever stuff.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

minxomat wrote: post #50
cordite wrote: post #24

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Not sure about normal ebooks, but it's been a fantastic tool for getting through IETF RFCs. No distractions, easy on the eyes. Would be nice if the contrast were even better for low light environments. Maybe this 2.0 would do it. I seem to have lost my pen though, so I'm not sure what I'll do for any annotation now.

I second RFC, I've implemented plenty of them while scribbling over them on the RM1. Also great to quickly show a colleague something on a page. But, the eBook (as in published books) experience is pretty bad compared to basically anything. What even the RM2 does is just load the epub/pdf into the editing buffer and other than somewhat faster navigation and a hidden menu, it's not good at all for consumption.

That's disappointing, I'd love it to be a great e-book reader, I want to love it...

If they could just side load the Kindle or kobo app I'd buy it in a second. For now, I'll keep reading ebooks on my phone.

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