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Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by djsumdog »

jmull wrote: post #283
djsumdog wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually very disturbing considering the amount of misinformation over this incident, and that they're charging that kid for murder! Were you able to find the videos? They tell a pretty different story than the media narrative. Every person he shoots attacked him or had a gun. He doesn't shoot the kid behind them who had his hands up, or any other bystanders. He then walks with his hands up and turns himself i…

> Every person he shoots attacked him or had a gun. You're suggesting that having a gun is justification for someone to shoot you? I'm sure you can see the problem with that logic.

Watch the actual video. Dude pulls the gun and it bringing it around to shoot the kid. This is after the kid gets kicked in the head. The guy is also a convicted felon.

I do believe what he did was straight up self defense.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

humanistbot wrote: post #47

The rationale they gave is that hate speech appears on these apps, because some of the microblogging sites that can be accessed via Fediverse have this kind of content. Based on this rationale, I look forward to Google Play removing Chrome, Firefox, and all other web browsers from the store as well.

one of the problems we have in Tech (as an industry and on social media) is to allow individuals who make poor and bad decisions to hide behind the collective of a company/organization. And we continue applauding them for their great work they do in areas that are removed from the political. But these days innovation acts as a shield where we let the innovators get away and reap praise as individuals (the inventors of golang, the teams who standardized QUIC, the guys doing netflix propaganda about their simian-devops-army, facebooks React, Amazon's DSSTNE...) all of them have engineers who wear these things like a badge and are proud to give talks. Yet when they are responsible for projects that violate human rights, remove the Taiwanese flags from their app, or censor speech as in this case then we're never talking about people but it's always the opaqueness of the firm that hides these abuses.

We need a list of these lizards so we know when to throw tomatoes and rotten eggs at them whenever they give a talk or share feel-good posts on LinkedIn.

people should be ashamed instead of proud when they write "disclaimer I work at X"

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by sipos »

oehpr wrote: post #272
gilrain wrote: post #92

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A reminder that Gab is not a gray area edgecase, but a purpose-built platform for conspiracies and hate speech.

I'm not deeply versed in Gab's history... But lets hypothetically say that Gab was not created for that purpose, but for precisely the purpose it claims it was created for: To be an open platform for free speech, no censorship. Wouldn't it have ended up in the exact same state it is now? Any service that guarantees no censorship is going to have the majority of its userbase be the runoff from other major websites. Wh…

Wikipedia cites a articles that show a number of examples of the company Twitter acocunt saying anti-semetic things, for example https://web.archive.org/web/20181031162843/https://www.cnn.c....

I agree with your point - it is hard to tell the difference generally, and it is an important point to remember, but the behaviour of the company itself shows that it is not an issue this time.

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Post by BubuIIC »

ffpip wrote: post #257
MYEUHD wrote: post #129

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Even if an app is banned from the F-droid main repository, its developers can distribute it through their own F-droid repository

Even if an app is banned from the play store, the developer can distribute it through f-droid. Even if an app is banned from the F-droid main repository, its developers can distribute it through their own F-droid repository Even if the app is banned from their own f-droid repository, the dev can distribute his source code and users can build the app with Android Studio. Even if Google bans your Android Studio account…

Alternative repositories are a first-class feature of F-Droid. Alternative app stores aren't really a first class feature of Android (though they are obviously possible, in contrast to iOS)

> bans your Android Studio account

Don't give them ideas. (there's thankfully no such thing as an Android Studio account)

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Post by lucb1e »

holidayacct wrote: post #217

This doesn't seem like a complete story or any kind of rationale for taking down apps, if you have a problem with hate speech you should probably get off the internet.

> if you have a problem with hate speech you should probably get off the internet.

The internet, yes, as one cohesive whole. There aren't safe places, adult content can't be hidden from kids so let's not let kids use google until they're at least 18, maybe 21, and hate speech is something we see continuously everywhere...

I think you're overreacting.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #290
jakelazaroff wrote: post #193

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Why should e.g. hate speech be allowed but not spam? Spam is perfectly legal. You’re not actually against lines being drawn through legal speech — you just don’t like where they fall.

> Spam is perfectly legal That's a somewhat bold claim. At minimum, CAN-SPAM makes the worst of it illegal.

CAN-SPAM only covers email [1]:

> [An Act] To regulate interstate commerce by imposing limitations and penalties on the trans-mission of unsolicited commercial electronic mail via the Internet.

[1] https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2007...

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Post by mc32 »

IntelMiner wrote: post #314
Aerroon wrote: post #286

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Size (importance) of the company. Can your electricity company disconnect you because they don't like what you're saying online using that electricity?

An electricity company is a utility however. They're a natural monopoly in a way that a "website" can't be If [large social media platform] doesn't want that kind of content, it's not unreasonable to simply make one to soak up that "ignored" market segment. Reddit can't shut you down for hosting your own internet forum for instance

Interestingly, L.A.’s mayor has threatened as well as executed water service disruption to people hosting large parties.

I get why one might want to do that, but I don’t think it’s the right precedent to set.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by jakelazaroff »

thu2111 wrote: post #293
jakelazaroff wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should e.g. hate speech be allowed but not spam? Spam is perfectly legal. You’re not actually against lines being drawn through legal speech — you just don’t like where they fall.

Spam is made illegal in America via the CAN-SPAM act.

CAN-SPAM only covers email; see sibling comment.
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