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Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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There was a thread on twitter recently about how app stores would have rejected the first web browser, asking what future innovations might not happen due to them. Guess federated social media is a part of the answer.

The problem is the 'App Stores'. Think of them as retail outlets, in a mall. Do you see shady stuff going on there? Would 'The Gap' sell porn to increase profits by 15%? Of course not. And for obvious reasons. We shouldn't think of 'App Stores' as some kind of truly open marketplaces, any more than a shopping mall is. What we need is just more independent means of distribution.

Partially correct.

Thinking about them in terms of the mall or a shopping plaza is good. However, you mistakenly compared the app store with the Gap.

The app store is the mall space, numerous apps abound, as do shops. The gap might not sell porn, but Victoria secret, Spencers, Hollywood (nights?? I can't recall) exist in the mall and might not be porn but... Some retail plazas might have an adult section. Best buy or Fry's at one point had adult magazines and videos.

Some retail plazas even have other things progressives and democrats find offensive, like guns and old classic literature. Occasionally you can also find a pawn shop in a retail plaza.

There was a point where you would rent out your mall or retail space to anyone with the money to cover the cost plus a small profit. The decadence, wealth inequality, and unrealistic valuations from government interference have led to a world where it's fairly easy for some to cherry pick who they want renting from them based upon their ideological, political, or racial spectrum or beliefs. The same now occurs in our app stores.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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post #83

Here's a simple riddle: First they came for Alex. Then they came for the frog... then they came for the corona and now they come for all the elephants in the room. This isn't 'doing the right thing' and Google is not your friend.

I hate how terribly locked down all modern operating systems are. I recently started using a PinePhone. It's up to people in tech to show that regular/ordinary people can get away from these mega corps that seek to control everything about the tech we use.

Most people won't put in the effort though.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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post #93
post #77

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A reminder that F-Droid banned Gab from their store. https://reclaimthenet.org/f-droid-bans-gab-app/

That article was written with such blatantly bad faith language it had the opposite of the intended effect and made me start distrusting whatever Gab is (I had no idea before this thread) > F-Droid won’t tolerate oppression or harassment against marginalized groups. Because of this, it won’t package nor distribute apps that promote any of these things If this accurately describes Gab, I don't have sympathy for Yet An…

Gab was created as a safe-haven for all the alt-right groups that get banned from Reddit.

It's entirely populated by people who were banned from Reddit, Twitter or Facebook for harassment or spreading hate.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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post #92

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A reminder that Gab is not a gray area edgecase, but a purpose-built platform for conspiracies and hate speech.

and why does that matter? They later switched to ActivityPub/Mastodon for a bit. They still run a Mastodon fork, but defederated back in May. Gab was also banned explicitly by URL by any app makers and in many ActivityPub libraries (you can find checks where it hashes the URL and compares it to known Gab URLs). > a purpose-built platform for conspiracies and hate speech We're in a bizarre world right now where you ca…

There is holocaust denying, calls to kill blacks and rape fantasies about female politicians and movie stars. There are literal calls for the rise of the white race to eradicate everyone else on the front page of gab daily. If you want to defend shit like this on the merit of free speech the probability that you are in fact a white nationalist are not to far.

And the history is plastered with censorship the world was never more free than it is now you are just repeating non facts without even doing a hint of research.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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The rationale they gave is that hate speech appears on these apps, because some of the microblogging sites that can be accessed via Fediverse have this kind of content. Based on this rationale, I look forward to Google Play removing Chrome, Firefox, and all other web browsers from the store as well.

Cool. So if the issue is hate speech I'll be waiting for Google to ban the FB app as well

Goggle doesn't protect users, they oppress wrongthinkers. Moderation of facebook is delegated to facebook.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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post #91

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When your content is too cancerous for Reddit ...maybe the issue isn't Reddit.

Yes, if the only defense of your content is that it isn't literally illegal to produce and distribute, maybe choose something better to do with your time.

In the context of a lot of Reddit alternatives, the argument of 'not literally illegal' isn't always what is being made. Sometimes it's more along the lines of 'stop interfering with our law breaking' or 'let us openly promote real workd violence'. Sometimes people have migrated to sites where the administration is either legally insulated by strong local laws (ie: Voat in Switzerland), or otherwise ambivalent attitudes towards actually following regulations (Chan sites, self-hosted forms). The incel communities, and many other violent communities come to mind right away.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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post #145

The rationale they gave is that hate speech appears on these apps, because some of the microblogging sites that can be accessed via Fediverse have this kind of content. Based on this rationale, I look forward to Google Play removing Chrome, Firefox, and all other web browsers from the store as well.

Exactly. This is Google drawing the line on where this "hate speech" is from and they believe that such "content" can be accessed via the Fediverse. To see how ridiculous this sounds, Google might as well completely take down the entire social media and internet browsing category on the Play Store since I keep seeing the same content from both extremes on all these platforms. Just wait until you tell them to take dow…

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Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the 'App Stores'. Think of them as retail outlets, in a mall. Do you see shady stuff going on there? Would 'The Gap' sell porn to increase profits by 15%? Of course not. And for obvious reasons. We shouldn't think of 'App Stores' as some kind of truly open marketplaces, any more than a shopping mall is. What we need is just more independent means of distribution.

Shopping Malls can have Sex Shops. Play and AppStore don't allow them.

I have never seen a shopping mall with a sex shop. Maybe lingerie or some novelty items at a Spencer’s, but I doubt mall operators would want to deal with people complaining about their kids walking by a store selling pornography and sex toys.

They usually end up in undesirable locations or in rundown strip malls.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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For anyone else concerned with the recent Big Tech censorship, people are actively building alternative social medial platforms and they are taking off. The RedditAlternatives subreddit [0] provides a fairly good overview of them. Some are rather extreme, others are more reasonable, but there are alternatives, and it's up to us, the reasonable people, to choose where we want to spend our time and money. [0] https://w…

look, i'm not trying to cut down alternative platforms by any means, however these alternative platforms are failures waiting to happen. the reason is that although they start low cost, eventually, if they grow, they need some form of income in order to continue. at that point, they need some form of advertising which, cause of their content, they cannot get and as such, they close up.
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