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Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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For anyone else concerned with the recent Big Tech censorship, people are actively building alternative social medial platforms and they are taking off. The RedditAlternatives subreddit [0] provides a fairly good overview of them. Some are rather extreme, others are more reasonable, but there are alternatives, and it's up to us, the reasonable people, to choose where we want to spend our time and money. [0] https://w…

Wait till they start blocking those Reddit alternatives in Chrome.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#84
I think this is a good example of "you can't solve human problems with cute tech workarounds" because I think Google is actually in the right here (given you think their ban on hate speech is general is legitimate). It shouldn't matter at all the technical details of how an app works or the fact that it's federated or distributed. All that really matters to the policy is what a user sees when they download and open the app.

And on that front I completely understand where Google is coming from. Because the fediverse has a laissez faire attitude towards moderation (i.e. instance owners don't really block much) much of what you see on the fediverse is stuff that would get you banned on mainstream social networks [1]. And that content is the default experience unlike a web browser/chat programs/communities where you have to seek out that kind of content.

I expect that an app tied to a specific instance that put effort into moderating their content and put up some safeguards against seeing content on other instances by default with some popup like "content on other servers is not vetted, are you sure?" would be allowed to stay.

[1] Which makes sense since these are some of the only havens for people who can't make it on Twitter/FB/Reddit.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there is. This happens all the time--recently, a podcast app was removed from the Play Store because it could be used to listen to content which didn't meet Play Store guidelines. The only way to fix it is to post about it and generate enough outrage that Google hears about it and can undo the ban.

When you say that's the only way to fix it, you are literally correct. There is no real ticket or support mechanism, no appeals process, nothing. The fastest way to raise an issue with Google is to email a journalist or hitup your twitter followers.

Apps being rejected was a talking point for the anti-trust investigations for Apple. I don't think Google is quite so famous for its rejections but they were part of that investigation for other abuse, hopefully any changes that come about will apply to them too.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/26/antitrust-investigation...

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#86
Disgusting censorship in such a position of power. Corporations like Facebook and Google and Apple shape society. There is no getting around it. It should no longer be acceptable to use the concepts of 'capitalism' and 'privateness' as an excuse for censorship on platforms that have become as good as public utilities.

The open web has never been more important. What next, will Google's Chrome browser start blocking fediverse web domains? That's their 'platform', too.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#87
Not only are these apps web browsers of a subset of sites, other web browsers on the Play Store already allow access to these sites in exactly the same manner as the app, using the SAME PROTOCOL.

In respect to this move by Google, there are no differences between web browsers and Mastodon browsers. The only difference is that if Google applies their ban equally and fairly, they lose tremendous amounts of money by banning all web browsers.

We shall see if Google follows it's own policy on this manner or if they are descriminating based on what lines their pockets.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#88

There is probably more than what is being said here otherwise clients for reddit or 4chan would have been removed a long time ago.

The thing that isn't being mentioned is that Google allow apps that make "reasonable" attempts to block content that violates their anti-hate speech policy. Reddit has shown that they're willing to ban the very worst content. No idea about 4chan.

In the case of the Fediverse apps they can't block anything because firstly there's no resources to police it, and secondly it's kind of the whole point of federation to let the user see what they want without getting in the way.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#89

For anyone else concerned with the recent Big Tech censorship, people are actively building alternative social medial platforms and they are taking off. The RedditAlternatives subreddit [0] provides a fairly good overview of them. Some are rather extreme, others are more reasonable, but there are alternatives, and it's up to us, the reasonable people, to choose where we want to spend our time and money. [0] https://w…

All of those alternatives seem full of hate speech though

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

#90

Without getting into the details of this - yeah I disagree with it - but, Android allows side loading. Isn’t that what everyone wanted from Apple? On a higher level, what’s the problem and what should be changed? Google has a policy that people don’t like, Android can side load, isn’t that exactly what people want?

Because the policy is unfairly applied. There’s plenty of hate speech on Facebook, but their app remains. Chrome allows you to access sites with hate speech too, but it’s not going anywhere.

So what do you propose? You want the government to come in and enforce fairness? The HN talking point has been that users should be able to install whatever they want - with Android they can.
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