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China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by canada2020 »

Yes, this is bad. I think we can all agree on that.

But does anyone have sources on _how_ China got into this situation? They wouldn't be detaining Uighurs at this scale for no reason. So what's the history behind this?

I left a separate comment here of someone else who commented on the article with a potential background reason (terrorism?). Although I'm not sure if can rely on just that one comment, and would love to hear what HN thought.

A part of a civil discussion requires that we understand and seek out the argument from all parties. As a society, we need to evolve from one-sided arguments.

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Post by fsflover »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #140
amelius wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any trade agreement should have basic human rights mentioned in the first paragraph. This is something we can actually fight for.

Even if it’s in there, it won’t be enforced. Manufacturing is entrenched in China. Before you can threaten China, you need to have a backup plan. Otherwise, it’ll call your bluff, like it’s doing already.

> Even if it’s in there, it won’t be enforced.

Please stop spreading learned helplessness. Problems are solved in baby steps. You start with legislation. Without it, nothing will proceed.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by hh3k0 »

derwiki wrote: post #221
hh3k0 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your statement is wrong in two ways. 1) Communism and Islam can by no means be considered "friends", reason being the antireligious policies that are inherent in Communism. You should read less Breitbart. 2) China can hardly be considered a communist country, it has been turning rapidly more capitalist ever since the official introduction of the 中国特色社会主义 theory in 1987.

Google translates that as: > Socialism with Chinese Characteristics What does that mean? I had guessed you were referring to special economic zones, but that predates 1987. Thanks in advance.

Basically, it is the theory China used in order to justify the switch to State Capitalism. Here's more on the theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_charact...

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Post by DataWorker »

elliekelly wrote: post #155
take_a_breath wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.== What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?

Tacitly approving of them to Xi, according to Bolton.

“According to Bolton”

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by Aunche »

smhost wrote: post #5
TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Americans killed a million muslims and destroyed their homeland. China imprisoned a million muslims and put them in factories. Stop being so dramatic.

Even the "million people" detained statistic is incredibly misleading. When you look at the original actual paper that conducted the investigation, it's about the total people who were ever detained, most of which are released after their mandatory reeducation is complete. However, western journalists intentionally make it sound like 1 million people are currently being detained.

Whenever BuzzFeed or any news company talks about ICE detention or US prisons, they make it very obvious when they talk about current people being detained and the total population that had been detained.

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Post by wycy »

logicchains wrote: post #172
take_a_breath wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever? Does that win anyone over?

>Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever? >Does that win anyone over? How can you blame Trump for that when the unemployment rate was the lowest in over a decade before 2020, and the job losses / fall in unemployment was due to lockdowns he didn't support? Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns: https://www.aier.org/artic…

I think it's a bit unfair to blame him for the unemployment rate having gotten so high, but it is fair to blame him for how long it has lasted. If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now. Most jobs could have come back, especially if we had done something like furloughs like the UK did. Instead, it got completely out of control entirely due to his incompetence.

Unemployment being higher in locked down states makes sense. But the flipside of that statistic is that daily deaths in red states are reaching new peaks now while they've flatlined to lows in blue states.

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Post by blindspot557 »

bavent wrote: post #234
blindspot557 wrote: post #231

This is another distraction for the current BLM movement and thousands of death per day due to covid. I see a lot of hypocrite comments and I just want to laugh. Meanwhile on the streets of Detroit or Baltimore ghettos, kids/teenagers are under the influence of criminal culture and facing generation after generation of poverty they may never come out of. And I see no one even trying to figure out a solution.

And what does this have to do with the article? Every time there is a post about the Chinese state committing some evil act, there is a post like this - whataboutism at it’s finest. Usually written by a new account, usually written in a way that makes it seem like English isn’t the primary language of the poster.

Of course it does. They are all problems human beings facing when we trying to put different cultures together and live in harmony and create prosperity. If you can't even figure out what's happening near you, how can you assume you will even have a total understanding about something happening on the other side of the earth??

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Post by asimovfan »

erik_landerholm wrote: post #235
TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

I’d take it further. If you do business in/with China right now you would of done business with nazi Germany.

What about the United States?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by ahmedalsudani »

fsflover wrote: post #241
ahmedalsudani wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the point is that people on this website are selective in their outrage.

No, it's just that we are discussing here just one country, see the topic title.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Where is the equivalent outcry? Why is the country we’re discussing here always China?

That’s the selective outrage.

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