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ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by shados »

mellosouls wrote: post #633
shados wrote: post #417

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> It seems obvious to me that management doesn't understand the target audience for the device > If you're considering the RM2 for anything other than a sketch/note pad It is marketed as a sketch/note pad and that's about it. The e-reader feature is like the youtube functionality on a Switch. It's there because "lolwhynot" and little more. I have one and I really love mine. But all I wanted was a digital notebook. If…

Whatever the Remarkable is marketed as, it's an e-reader. Pretty much by definition people buying e-readers are buying them to read with. Clearly the Surface/iPad are not comparable to e-screens for that specific purpose and the obvious UX (usability) fail in the Remarkable in that regard means there is still a significant market gap for people who want an e-reader which bridges those two worlds, particularly (for me…

> it's an e-reader

It isn't though. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. Heck, when it was released, the e-reader functionality was even more deficient than it is today and barely mentioned. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. They improved the e-reader aspect a lot since then, so now it's kind of usuable as one, sortoff, but it's very much not an e-reader first.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by amirhirsch »

dkarbayev wrote: post #613
kawera wrote: post #528

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That's what many big-name classical pianists use, a pedal hooked to an iPad.

Why iPad though? I’ve seen a specialized electronic music sheet (seemingly based on e-ink) in some videos, I guess pages are flipped using a pedal since I didn’t notice any visible interaction with it to do so, e.g. https://youtu.be/oB-gF2Ncphg

cool video. looks like the remarkable, actually two of them. now i need to buy TWO

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by jinnko »

Kudos wrote: post #434
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Boox devices are also very accessible as the run Android and you can install anything on them either from the Play store (requires manual setup at first) or F-droid, along with the usual adb access. I have the Nova Pro which I absolutely love. It has configurable screen refresh rates so it's possible to use a web browser with scrolling. You can install your favourite file sync app. Lately I've been using KDE connect…

Boox are GPL violators though.

> Boox are GPL violators though.

Hadn't heard of this. Can you provide some references? A quick DDG search didn't turn up anything.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

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I think it's not as good as you think. There is a difference between "it happens to be open" and "manufacturer cares", and here it's more like the former. The experience here is in fact identical to e.g. using any device whose bootloader has been cracked. You are locked to very old kernel versions, or attempts to run a mainline kernel in various degrees of stability (or lack of). You cannot really modify the existing…

Well, unlike nearly all consumer devices, they did intentionally leave it open and hackable, and promote this on their homepage. I think that makes it likely that they'll leave it open in the future as well. So sure, yes, I'd love it if it was a 100% FOSS project. But I'll take what I can get.

Do they actually promote this in their webpage? I didn't see it anywhere.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by jrib »

jbeard4 wrote: post #13

I have been very happy with my ReMarkable 1, and have ordered the ReMarkable 2.0. Hacker News might be interested in the active development community around the device: https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable The device is open. It's just an embedded linux device. You can ssh into it, and run arbitrary code. The SDK is based on Qt. You can also connect a keyboard to it over a USB-on-the-go port. I have been…

I contacted their support about the openness of their device. This is their response in case others are interested:

    Aug 28, 2020, 3:44 PM GMT+2
    Hello there.
    
    Users can gain root access to the device by using SSH, so the device is open for developing your own software.
    The GPL and LGPL version 3 requires us to give users access to their own devices. It's part of the anti-tivoization clauses in the licenses.
    
    A lot of our software is open-source. You'll find a lot of our open source code here: https://github.com/reMarkable/. If you're interested in developing for the reMarkable, a good place to start would be on here https://remarkable.engineering/deploy/.
    
    Note that we do not currently provide any support for SSH related issues. Accessing the device and making changes through SSH is at the customers own risk.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Post by criddell »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #465
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Right, because the Kindle refreshes when you turn the page or use the menus. That would be a refresh every 30 seconds or so while you are using it. If you are using it as a primary display on a phone showing dynamic content, you are going to be refreshing it as quickly as you can the entire time you are using it. I think modern low end panels can maintain about 7 fps or a refresh every 0.15 seconds. That's a two orde…

I have never seen or heard of an epaper display wearing out but I don't know of anyone who has tested. I'm tempted to grab one of my spare screens and just hook it up to an arduino to constantly refresh it.

The e-ink corporation has some lifespan information in their datasheets. For example, their Pearl screen is listed as having a life of 10 million refreshes. If you are updating more than once per second when in use, you will use that up in a year or two.

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Post by mellosouls »

shados wrote: post #651
mellosouls wrote: post #633

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Whatever the Remarkable is marketed as, it's an e-reader. Pretty much by definition people buying e-readers are buying them to read with. Clearly the Surface/iPad are not comparable to e-screens for that specific purpose and the obvious UX (usability) fail in the Remarkable in that regard means there is still a significant market gap for people who want an e-reader which bridges those two worlds, particularly (for me…

> it's an e-reader It isn't though. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. Heck, when it was released, the e-reader functionality was even more deficient than it is today and barely mentioned. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. They improved the e-reader aspect a lot since then, so now it's kind of usuable as one, sortoff, but it's very much not an e-reader first.

To be fair to you, they are pretty keen on stressing that, while marketing within the e-reader segment.

Conceding the point to you though means that there is still clearly a gap for those of us who want to read technical manuals (unless there is a device that somebody can recommend) between the brilliant linear-reading experience of e-readers and the smooth larger screen random-access UX experience of tablets like those you cite.

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Post by shados »

mellosouls wrote: post #657
shados wrote: post #651

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> it's an e-reader It isn't though. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. Heck, when it was released, the e-reader functionality was even more deficient than it is today and barely mentioned. It's a note taking device and marketed as such. They improved the e-reader aspect a lot since then, so now it's kind of usuable as one, sortoff, but it's very much not an e-reader first.

To be fair to you, they are pretty keen on stressing that, while marketing within the e-reader segment. Conceding the point to you though means that there is still clearly a gap for those of us who want to read technical manuals (unless there is a device that somebody can recommend) between the brilliant linear-reading experience of e-readers and the smooth larger screen random-access UX experience of tablets like th…

Absolutely, though the gap is somewhat niche. Even for e-readers, the amount of people who still care about e-ink is getting smaller. In my peer group everyone moved to ipads or whatever (I don't know how they can stand it, but...).

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

krick wrote: post #191
jbeard4 wrote: post #13

I have been very happy with my ReMarkable 1, and have ordered the ReMarkable 2.0. Hacker News might be interested in the active development community around the device: https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable The device is open. It's just an embedded linux device. You can ssh into it, and run arbitrary code. The SDK is based on Qt. You can also connect a keyboard to it over a USB-on-the-go port. I have been…

It's funny how your comment immediately makes me want to buy it, because the description on the site with all these silly photos and such for some reason got me thinking like "looks kinda nice, but since it's obviously something very Apple-like, it will be as restrictive as it gets, I won't be able to use it without some obligatory shitty web-account and I probably even won't be able to read *.cbz comics on it, so...…

Marketing in its current virulent incarnation is a scam, and front for wholesale population level surveillance. I've yet to see a convincing argument to the contrary.

All a business needs to be successful is a good product, and word of mouth. Advertising gets people to buy stuff they don't need. Instead companies scrimp on the product and spend more on advertising. The sooner society finds a way to clothe, house and feed everyone the better all of us and our planet will be.

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