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China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by icebraining »

whoevercares wrote: post #54
jaggirs wrote: post #36

BuzzFeed News identified 268 newly built compounds by cross-referencing blanked-out areas on Baidu Maps with images from external satellite data providers Pretty cool. Trying to hide the facilities made them easier to find.

CCP always does such bad propaganda thing. Ironically Everything it tried to hide was always exposed fairly quickly, things it doesn’t hide turns out to be less known

Internal vs external audiences. People inside the great firewall have limited access to "external satellite data providers."

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Post by frequentnapper »

lordnacho wrote: post #112
unionpivo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a billion people there, and most of them have nothing to do with the government. Because that billion people there is the only one who can change the government.

Are you quite aware of how much blood is spilled when China goes through political turmoil? Aside from the world wars, a huge chunk of the top 10 bloodiest conflicts in history are Chinese internal conflicts. You're asking people who understand very well that standing up for a new government is going to be extremely costly. In the meantime, you want to deprive them of work. Ever wonder how those two things are connec…

Sure, so let them just continue to commit atrocities.

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Post by moogly »

TheUndead96 wrote: post #33
rfoo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do China imprisonment do organ harvesting?

There is some evidence for this: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-u...

Better link, IMO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

There is a lot of evidence. In isolation, any one claim might not be very convincing, but taken as a whole, it's pretty damning.

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Post by abc-xyz »

take_a_breath wrote: post #128
abc-xyz wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up to China. For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China. I’d also say boycotting Made in China and companies kowtowing to China isn’t as difficult as people say. You might not be able to boycot…

==For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.== What is Trump doing about the concentration camps this article is about?

His trade war is hurting China a lot - companies are being forced to leave due to the high tariffs, Chinese companies are suffering (for instance, Huawei not being allowed to use Android, banned from using chips with US tech, etc.), TAIPEI Act and Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act was also signed under his administration. He’s the first US President to speak directly with Taiwan’s President since 1979, he made the largest arms sale to Taiwan in the past few decades, China Mobile were blocked from offering services in US, Huawei is being blocked from building 5G networks (even paying other nations to block them as well), TikTok and WeChat likely to be banned from the App Stores as well (hopefully worldwide), he keep reminding people that the Wuhan Virus originated in China and that they’re responsible for the pandemic, China about to lose the developing country WTO status, HK special status revoked, etc.

There’s really not a single person who’s done more to stand up to China than Trump has. Just look at China’s reputation today compared to 4 years ago.. the world is finally starting to wake up to the dangers of the CCP. And I really don’t care what his motives are.. I know he probably couldn’t care less about the Uyghurs, but his actions towards China are helping the hundreds of millions of people currently and about to suffer from the CCP.

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Post by borg_ »

sol_invictus wrote: post #65
jialutu wrote: post #43

Do you guys remember when a Chinese soldier beat up someone who was holding the Koran? Well, except, it didn't happen: https://factcheck.afp.com/no-not-video-chinese-soldier-beati... Also, when are people going to stop using satellite imaging as a proof of evidence? I mean, let's not forget the whole casus belli for the last Iraq war, where there was clear evidence of WMDs from all those satellite images right? I mea…

Your entire comment history is pro-China comments. Are you just sitting by and waiting for a China-related article to pop up all day?

or, OP simply does not want their true identity to be labeled as "pro-China" and created this specific account given how toxic, biased and hostile HN comment section has become wrt "pro-China" sentiment, by people like yourself.

Counter the argument for what it is if you wish but going after OP's account history is not called for.

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Post by dougmwne »

waihtis wrote: post #60
mola wrote: post #49

Just buy less. Western consumerism gave China it's power. Have a leader who the world believe he acts in good faith regarding ideals, and not busy subverting ideals for game and profit. But no, you'll choose power and war.

Just der Wille zur Macht at work. After reading and accepting that thesis, the world has become a much more obvious place for me personally.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing. I do think if you explained your idea further, you'd get your point across better. Not everyone has read Nietzsche in the original German.

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Post by tyingq »

gabaix wrote: post #130
greatpatton wrote: post #101

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I think that regarding free pass the US get it all the time. Look at the Iraq war, I think that only western country that had to suffer consequences was France with the Freedom Fry silliness. Moreover in the US almost everybody is proud to have fight this war... We in Europe should be more vocal about what US and China think they can do to the rest of the world without consequences. China is an awful country, we just…

> we just discovered that Chinese police officer are invited here to identify potential Chinese to send back to China What country is this?

Sounds like they are probably talking about Hong Kong.

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Post by breezest »

mola wrote: post #49

Just buy less. Western consumerism gave China it's power. Have a leader who the world believe he acts in good faith regarding ideals, and not busy subverting ideals for game and profit. But no, you'll choose power and war.

This is similar to the presumption of innocence. You can believe someone acts in good faith initially. Yet, if they don't, you should turn against them immediately to protect yourself.

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Post by jerf »

take_a_breath wrote: post #147
Darmody wrote: post #39

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I do boycott Chinese products. I can't boycott everything because sometimes there are no alternatives but I do what I can. Lebron can't solve this but what he can do is at least talk about it. One word and millions of people would know about it. Same thing happens with the NBA. They're very vocal about BLM but when it comes to HK...you can't even buy a t-shirt with "Free Honk Kong" on it.

NBA players choose BLM for their protests and you choose China, I don’t see the problem. Blaming them for international policy seems a little naive.

It sounds like you may not be aware that the NBA has been actively and specifically blocking criticism of China. It sounds like currently they've reversed that policy on at least what custom jerseys they'll print, but only after a lot of pressure. The NBA is not neutrally "permitting" their players to protest things if they happen to want to, they have taken an extremely active role in what political actions are and are not allowed, and anti-China protests have consistently been on the "not allowed" side, by the league. The NBA, as an organization, is not a neutral; they have chosen sides.
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