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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

To play devil's advocate: the west is now in a soft Cold War with China. Given China's opaqueness, any media report about China has to be taken with a pinch of salt, especially considering how the media has acted as the mouthpiece of the state in the past (most notably in the entire Iraq WMD fiasco). So while I certainly don't doubt that China is oppressing its minorities, I'm also loathe to believe every media repor…

I don’t understand how this is playing devils advocate. How does it relate to what I said?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Americans killed a million muslims and destroyed their homeland. China imprisoned a million muslims and put them in factories. Stop being so dramatic.

First of all you seem to assume that everybody here is American. Let me tell you, they are not.

Second, if the USA killed a million muslims, does that make it right that China does it as well? I don't think it does.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

We're doing similar in the United States. Shouldn't we focus on stopping it at home first?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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I don’t understand what the ‘cancel culture’ comment is supposed to mean. There are a million tweets condemning China’s behavior... way more than the number of tweets targeting people who are ‘cancelled’ The difference is that tweets can effect a regular person’s life, and they are ‘cancelled’. China doesn’t care. A company will act to fire a single person who behaves badly because of consumer pressure; it doesn’t co…

Cancel culture means boycotting public figures or companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. You are talking only about tweets but those have little to do with it. Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods. Vote with your wallet! If enough people do this then it will definitely have an impact, possibly even enough to bring about some real chan…

I thought cancel culture referred to the practice of reporting someone's postings and getting them taken down or even banned by the platform. It also includes doxxing people and trying to get them fired from their jobs because of their online postings.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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I don’t understand what the ‘cancel culture’ comment is supposed to mean. There are a million tweets condemning China’s behavior... way more than the number of tweets targeting people who are ‘cancelled’ The difference is that tweets can effect a regular person’s life, and they are ‘cancelled’. China doesn’t care. A company will act to fire a single person who behaves badly because of consumer pressure; it doesn’t co…

Cancel culture means boycotting public figures or companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. You are talking only about tweets but those have little to do with it. Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods. Vote with your wallet! If enough people do this then it will definitely have an impact, possibly even enough to bring about some real chan…

> Boycotting China is definitely possible, simply stop buying their goods.

Is it possible though? I’m really not so sure.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

As evident from my other comments I don't like CCP one bit. But while we criticize oppression, Muslim extremism which triggered this oopression shouldn't be pushed aside either.

Tibet is equally oppressed under CCP's boots for many decades now but nobody seems to be bothered.

I don't like this selective outrage of west.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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> I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. You can talk to your representatives about it. You can start actively boycotting Chinese-made products (not so easy, I know). You can donate to NGOs such as the UHRP (Uyghur Human Rights Project). You can follow them on Twitter. It's not like Lebron James will solve this either, so don't blame it on him.

I do boycott Chinese products. I can't boycott everything because sometimes there are no alternatives but I do what I can. Lebron can't solve this but what he can do is at least talk about it. One word and millions of people would know about it. Same thing happens with the NBA. They're very vocal about BLM but when it comes to HK...you can't even buy a t-shirt with "Free Honk Kong" on it.

NBA players choose BLM for their protests and you choose China, I don’t see the problem. Blaming them for international policy seems a little naive.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Do you guys remember when a Chinese soldier beat up someone who was holding the Koran? Well, except, it didn't happen: https://factcheck.afp.com/no-not-video-chinese-soldier-beati... Also, when are people going to stop using satellite imaging as a proof of evidence? I mean, let's not forget the whole casus belli for the last Iraq war, where there was clear evidence of WMDs from all those satellite images right? I mea…

Your entire comment history is pro-China comments. Are you just sitting by and waiting for a China-related article to pop up all day?

That could be true.

But please, do know that there are many individuals outside the USA, who regularly roll their eyes and feel triggered when yet another article accuses China or Russia of yet another "anything".

Don't get me wrong, some of the accusations sure are very valid ones. But the political bias and (more often than not) cultural blindness/hypocrisy is usually rather obvious. At least for many, like me, from outside the USA. Personally, I would say that the most shocking part might be that not more Americans can see that about themselves. I guess that must be the power of systemic propaganda.

As long as Americans (or at least many) keep using exceptionalism (of any kind) as some sort of blanked excuse, to justify a heap of nastiness they pull around the globe, one might wonder what right Americans have to point at anyone but themselves.

This of course does in no way excuse whatever it is that countries like China and Russia do wrong. But finding any US-based non-political and/or otherwise unbiased assessment of anything happening in China, Russia or any other country that isn't "aligned" with the US, has become close to impossible these days.

So, having people push back and posting counter stories might be nothing more than a natural process, by ordinary people who just get irritated by all this. Of course you're free to suspect bias in that, or even a Chinese agent if you'd like. But the real cause for these responses might just be ordinary people who simply get sick of all the biased and politicized "awareness" articles floating around these day .. especially here at HN, which should not be a forum for international politics (outside tech topic) in the first place.

Sincerely, the obvious information warfare might be at least equally as bad as the things these kind of articles are supposed to inform us about. That not a larger part of the HN crowd appears to be aware of this aspect, is pretty darn shameful and awkward in its own right.

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