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Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

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Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow its so easy, can't believe all those idiots trying to build nuclear plants the past few decades have never though to simply apply "better tech". Thanks hacker news/silicon valley!

The barriers, time, and cost for nuclear seem to be primarily of political origin, not technical. It's held to an unreasonable higher standard than anything else.

Nuclear is an inherently centralized technology, in contrast to solar and wind which can be controlled at a more local level, even down to the individual home owner and land owner. Even with small plants purported to be in the works, the cost scale is not in reach of an individual family like solar panels can be. That centralization of nuclear brings with it things like corruption, taxation, cost overruns, and cleanup costs that are not accounted for in the lifetime of the politicians whose buddies are benefitting from the contracts. So I wouldn't say the higher bar is unreasonable.

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

#42
post #9

I watched the Bill Gates doc on Netflix. They actually had this ready to go in 2017. They were going to build it in China because US regulators wouldn’t allow it. But then we started a trade war with China and they nixed the contract. They were hoping to prove it out in China and then bring it back to the US.

The technology exists for small scale nuclear power stations, like those developed in submarines. Based on old news reports it would appear the new glass cube US Embassy in London is nuclear powered and the embassy has enough spare to power surrounding buildings, the moat has more than a medieval defensive purpose.

Do you have any such reports on hand? I couldn’t find any because the searches immediately went to embassy’s comments on nuclear weapons.

But it just seems fascinating that an embassy would have its own nuclear power source and id love to learn more

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

#43
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post #6

Why sodium in particular? I've seen in the past that molten sodium is often proposed as a storage medium, but is there something about it that makes it suited for that use?

Because it doesn't decompose into an explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen under extreme temperatures, among other things.

Sodium decomposes the water itself and releases hydrogen which the sodium ignites as it burns in air.

Liquid or pulverized metals are more risky than you think.

Powdered nickel not only is a flammable solid, it spontaneously ignites too.

But sodium is much more reactive, it can be rapdily oxidized by many more surprising things than oxygen or water.

There's always this, kilos of molten sodium can lead to unexpected problems:

https://www.csb.gov/t2-laboratories-inc-reactive-chemical-ex...

There was a mushroom cloud but it was not nuclear.

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

#44
post #9

I watched the Bill Gates doc on Netflix. They actually had this ready to go in 2017. They were going to build it in China because US regulators wouldn’t allow it. But then we started a trade war with China and they nixed the contract. They were hoping to prove it out in China and then bring it back to the US.

The technology exists for small scale nuclear power stations, like those developed in submarines. Based on old news reports it would appear the new glass cube US Embassy in London is nuclear powered and the embassy has enough spare to power surrounding buildings, the moat has more than a medieval defensive purpose.

Checks calendar ... nope, not April 1st.

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

#45
post #9

I watched the Bill Gates doc on Netflix. They actually had this ready to go in 2017. They were going to build it in China because US regulators wouldn’t allow it. But then we started a trade war with China and they nixed the contract. They were hoping to prove it out in China and then bring it back to the US.

The technology exists for small scale nuclear power stations, like those developed in submarines. Based on old news reports it would appear the new glass cube US Embassy in London is nuclear powered and the embassy has enough spare to power surrounding buildings, the moat has more than a medieval defensive purpose.

This would be more believable if you had said that... I don't know.. the US Antarctic embassy was nuclear powered. But in a city with excellent existing energy infrastructure in a country that, rocky start notwithstanding, the US has been allied with for almost 250 years? Get outta here

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

#46
post #10

I remember Bill being involved in nuclear for a long time. Hope something of general use comes to fruition in our lifetime.

> I remember Bill being involved in nuclear for a long time. Hope something of general use comes to fruition in our lifetime.

Yes, for a very long time, and to very little result. He chases too risky, and unrealistic prospects.

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

#47
post #9

I watched the Bill Gates doc on Netflix. They actually had this ready to go in 2017. They were going to build it in China because US regulators wouldn’t allow it. But then we started a trade war with China and they nixed the contract. They were hoping to prove it out in China and then bring it back to the US.

What about India?

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

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post #7
post #6

Why sodium in particular? I've seen in the past that molten sodium is often proposed as a storage medium, but is there something about it that makes it suited for that use?

Because it doesn't decompose into an explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen under extreme temperatures, among other things.

Water is by far safer in comparison to stuff that corrodes, and eventually eats through pretty much anything.

Piping for water can be for sure made to far outlive the plant; for sodium, you have no other option than putting in sacrificial material even if you use toughest nickel alloys, and there only is so much of it you can use.

Re: Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom

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post #46
post #10

I remember Bill being involved in nuclear for a long time. Hope something of general use comes to fruition in our lifetime.

> I remember Bill being involved in nuclear for a long time. Hope something of general use comes to fruition in our lifetime. Yes, for a very long time, and to very little result. He chases too risky, and unrealistic prospects.

This is a pretty horrible attitude to have, but to try to make something positive from this, which problems do you think Gates or someone in his position would be better suited to solving?
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