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ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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There are alternatives that are cheaper: https://www.amazon.com/waveshare-7-5inch-HAT-Raspberry-Consu...

Thanks for the link, that looks interesting. I have to see, where I could buy it (Amazon doesn't ship it to Germany). I will certainly check this out for tinkering with my Pie. Of course, I wouldn't buy the ReMarkable just for using it as a second display, but that would be an added value, if it could be done with some more software I can install on it. My main usage would be as a reader/note tool.

Waveshare have lots of such screens, big, small, some colour: https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/epaper-1....

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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I have been very happy with my ReMarkable 1, and have ordered the ReMarkable 2.0. Hacker News might be interested in the active development community around the device: https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable The device is open. It's just an embedded linux device. You can ssh into it, and run arbitrary code. The SDK is based on Qt. You can also connect a keyboard to it over a USB-on-the-go port. I have been…

Any way to sync it with Linux? It strikes me as odd that it’s that open, Linux based...but doesn’t have a Linux app.

Why would that be odd? Look at it from a sales perspective, how many more people will buy this is there is a linux application (LA) and how much will it cost to build and support (BS)

LA - BS = probably a negative number.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Yeah, I pre-ordered one because a friend has an rM1 and used a bunch of hacks and that was what made me interested. At the time (~18 months ago), I was uninterested in paying the money for one, but when the rM2 came out at pre-order for the lower price (the reMarkable 1 is now $100 less than the rM2) and with better battery/faster processor/USB-C, I pre-ordered. I'm in the second batch and because of delays, I won't…

They're spending a ton of Facebook. I wanted to buy one until the 500th ad that was presented to me. I think 1/2 the price of the device is marketing spend.

I don’t think so. The first version was more expensive and it didn’t have much (any?) marketing at all. And it’s not much more expensive than the Chinese E Ink devices. They are selling this at a premium for sure but I don’t think it’s 50% or anything close to that. ReMarkable raised $15m USD last fall and I think that is where the Facebook/Instagram budget came from. I imagine preorders are funding the first wave of rM2 production and the additional funding is paying for the hardware development and Facebook ads.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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I have the 2 right here and it's better than the first. There's still a perceptible lag (that is, it isn't imperceptible) but it's better than anything else out there including other eink devices (I also have a Boox here that I compared it to, and the Sony DPT before it).

I have Sony's Digital Paper. It is beyond awesome. I notice no lag while writing, and yes it does feel like writing on paper. Is there some way maybe you can measure the difference in what you are observing, lag-wise? Lag has never been an issue I even perceive with Digital Paper. It 'just works'.

generally the approach is to point a camera at it and record yourself under real world conditions writing and drawing. For instance, if a fast stroke starts to show up by the time you're already done drawing it, that's problematic latency, even if you personally don't notice.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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But no mention and video evidence of the pen input lag and precision, which is what's supposed to set this apart from other eink display solutions. The 1 has some lag, just enough to still be a nuisance: did the 2 fix that?

I have the 2 right here and it's better than the first. There's still a perceptible lag (that is, it isn't imperceptible) but it's better than anything else out there including other eink devices (I also have a Boox here that I compared it to, and the Sony DPT before it).

would you be willing to actually point a camera at your device and show what the latency and precision is while writing and drawing? So far I haven't found a single device that doesn't start showing a fast stroke on the screen before I'm already done drawing it.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Sure, but that's miles ahead of almost any other consumer device you can buy today. I'll take it.

I think it's not as good as you think. There is a difference between "it happens to be open" and "manufacturer cares", and here it's more like the former. The experience here is in fact identical to e.g. using any device whose bootloader has been cracked. You are locked to very old kernel versions, or attempts to run a mainline kernel in various degrees of stability (or lack of). You cannot really modify the existing…

Well, unlike nearly all consumer devices, they did intentionally leave it open and hackable, and promote this on their homepage. I think that makes it likely that they'll leave it open in the future as well. So sure, yes, I'd love it if it was a 100% FOSS project. But I'll take what I can get.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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But no mention and video evidence of the pen input lag and precision, which is what's supposed to set this apart from other eink display solutions. The 1 has some lag, just enough to still be a nuisance: did the 2 fix that?

Looks like there is an Engadget review from earlier today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhTtl2iPkg

Immediate red flags: all the actual drawing/writing shots have the pen move unrealistically slowly. Real people write fast, and draw fast. And then we we DO see normal paced drawing, it's either sped up, or obscured with a tactical camera angle. What the hell is this video?

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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Yes, apparently it only has a latency of 21ms

21ms sounds really low, which is good of course. But as humans, would we notice 21ms lag while writing even if we paid close attention?

"Close"? Anything over 3~4ms starts to be noticable, and anything over 10ms is "clearly" noticable for folks who expect the response of a pencil on paper.

Re: ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper

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But no mention and video evidence of the pen input lag and precision, which is what's supposed to set this apart from other eink display solutions. The 1 has some lag, just enough to still be a nuisance: did the 2 fix that?

Yes, apparently it only has a latency of 21ms

That's not an "only", that's still at least twice what it needs to be to cross the uncanny valley of input latency.
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