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Blanked-out spots on China's maps helped us uncover Xinjiang's camps

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You'd think going forward they'll fill in these blank voids with land that works with the surrounding landscape in order to mask these gaps.

They could put cartoon images of "land", like this TV show's overlay on top of a lady wearing Muslim dress: https://youtu.be/17oCQakzIl8?t=270

Interesting how the IMO Chinese "Eh, imma just half-ass it!" mentality (hopefully having visited the country and experienced half-assery, I'm allowed to comment) basically lead to this research work.

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"Alison Killing conducted this reporting with a grant and further assistance from the Open Technology Fund." From wikipedia: "As of November 2019, the Open Technology Fund became an independent nonprofit corporation and a grantee of the U.S. Agency for Global Media.[7] Until its formation as an independent entity, it had operated as a program of Radio Free Asia." Radio Free Asia ... founded by the CIA and a today wel…

It's obvious that the US is trying to emphasize what's going on in Xinjiang for political benefit. That said, it's pretty clear it is happening. Its important to draw attention to how powerful institutions influence media narratives, but that doesn't mean that we should disregard anything these institutions push. Rather, the narratives they propagate should be given increased scrutiny. IMO, There's enough evidence from both biased and unbiased sources that there's a cultural, if not literal, genocide happening in Xinjiang.

If you want anecdata, I'm friends with a Han Chinese - who is overall pretty supportive of the CCP, mind - who was born and raised in Xinjiang. When they return to visit their family, they have relatively few restrictions compared to foreign journalists or tourists. They've told me that mass relocations - and deaths in the camps - are clearly happening, based on what they hear from local Uyghurs and from things they just see around their hometown.

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This was supposedly a problem with a stealth ship designed by Lockheed’s “skunkworks”: against the choppy noise of waves and swell, a blank spot (of no radar return) stood out dramatically.

Cool! Do you have a link?

Skunkworks by Ben Rich has the stories and some photos.

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I’m not sure about giving but you need a license/approval before you can interview someone. Many western youtubers came under scrutiny for it.

> you need a license/approval before you can interview someone [citation needed] > Many western youtubers came under scrutiny for it. came under scrutiny by whom? Their audience or CCP? Disclaimer: I'm a China national.

Their audience. If journalists are forcefully accompanied by government officials, their journalism can be influenced. This irreparably taints the integrity of their work in a way that is often unacceptable to their audience.

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> Radio Free Asia ... founded by the CIA and a today well oiled propaganda arm for whatever is on the US government's foreign policy agenda. Eh, not so much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia > RFA is the only station outside China that broadcasts in the Uygur-language.[32] It has been recognized for played a vital role in exposing Xinjiang re-education camps.[33][34][35] The New York Times regards RFA as…

I think it is fair to call it propaganda. It is funded by U.S. Agency for Global Media [0], their first principle is to "Be consistent with the broad foreign policy objectives of the United States" [1]. That means they cannot be considered free independent press since they won't be able to take a stance that goes against the US government. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media [1] https://web…

> That means they cannot be considered free independent press since they won't be able to take a stance that goes against the US government.

I don't think it means that. Sure, they're not going to run strongly anti-American editorials, but we're talking about news reporting here, and they don't seem to finch at reporting news that doesn't make the US look good. For instance:

This article repeats criticisms of US police actions against journalism and carries this gem: "“Abuse of power against journalism is really as old as America itself,” Wheaton said. “It’s an eternal struggle between journalists trying to expose and power trying to hide.”": https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/police-response-press-...:

This article (republished from the AFP) is actually not too different from a certain type of subtle anti-democracy propaganda you'd see on CCTV (i.e. selectively emphasize foreign unrest to make Chinese authoritarianism look good): https://www.voanews.com/usa/timeline-us-race-riots-1965

They have an entire category dedicated covering one of the biggest American domestic problems (which, IMHO, doesn't make the US look good): https://www.voanews.com/usa/race-in-america

This article reports on some harsh criticism of the Iraq war: https://www.voanews.com/europe/british-inquiry-finds-iraq-wa...

This article does not paint pretty picture of the war in Afghanistan: https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/us-war-terror-kills-near...

This article (from a US conservative website) criticizes VoA for not being pro-government enough, and carries another gem: "The viewpoints generally expressed in these Voice of America articles are those of demonstrators, protesters, and rioters, and indistinguishable from coverage in The New York Times or The Washington Post.": https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-voice-...

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Cool! Do you have a link?

Skunkworks by Ben Rich has the stories and some photos.

That’s where I read this. I always wondered itpfbthat was really why it was cancelled (that’s why I wrote “supposedly”) or if Lockheed simply couldn’t make an adequate ship, being an aircraft company.

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interesting related read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_geographic_dat...

When I was traveling around China a few years ago it was extremely frustrating trying to use my phone's GPS+offline map. Realtime mapping in China is purposely offset by hundreds of meters making navigation quite challenging!!

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I’m not sure about giving but you need a license/approval before you can interview someone. Many western youtubers came under scrutiny for it.

Ah that makes sense, thanks. I was wondering how other western youtubers had channels full of interviews.

A couple of the western Chinese vloggers I used to watch a lot recently fled China after they caught wind that the authorities were looking for them for 'illegal journalism'

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As someone who lives in SEA and used to live in China, he's able to move around because he lives in China and I assume has a long term visa and speaks Mandarin. And he is going with the blessing of the Chinese state media: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/12754321240702976... What he is saying does not seem remotely credible unless he has the evidence to back it up. I don't think he's completely making up t…

I've been to China numerous times, my Mandarin sucks, I stand out, and I went wherever I wanted. Didn't try to go to Xinjiang, admittedly. There's paperwork that says you have to check in with local authorities wherever you go, tell them what hotel you're staying at, and all this other stuff, but nobody actually does it. If you caused trouble, it'd probably be held against you after the fact is all. There's no reason…

> There's paperwork that says you have to check in with local authorities wherever you go, tell them what hotel you're staying at, and all this other stuff, but nobody actually does it.

That's wrong: if you're staying in a hotel, they're doing the paperwork for you. You only have to do it yourself if you're staying in a private residence.

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The least the EU and US could do is sanction and ban Baidu and other Chinese tech companies responsible for covering up this genocide.

US could stop putting mexican kids in cages and treat them like garbage. That would be a start towards rehabilitation.
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