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Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by JamesBarney »

I see why go is clearly superior to C++. I see why it's simplicity is great for bringing new people up to speed. I see why it's concurrency model is better than many other languages. And I really like their software engineering philosophy.

Go seems clearly one of the if not the best systems language around.

But how is Go in the line of business web application space? The space that's historically been dominated by your Python, Ruby, Go , node.js, C#, Java applications?

I get it's probably more performant, but honestly in C# my primary language I spend almost all my time optimizing DB queries and almost none optimizing C# code. I get it's concurrency model is better, but with web apps that usually isn't much of a problem.

Is Go as better in this space as it clearly is in the systems programming space? I get it could be used for the LoB use case but is it better, and if so is it significantly or marginally better?

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by logicslave12 »

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #18
logicslave12 wrote: post #15

Sure they made Go. But where are the innovations in search and information retrieval? Where are new data products? Sure, they innovated on word embeddings. But If they are going to monopolize and control access to information, why are they doing such a poor job at it? I say this with some anger. This company affects all of us, and they are completely mediocre from a product perspective. I welcome the day when NLP get…

Seems fairly off topic

I think it is on topic. I’m tired of this company parading their “technical achievements” while simultaneously constraining humanities access to information

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by wolco »

lstamour wrote: post #10
enahs-sf wrote: post #4

I tried very hard to bring go into my previous employers environment, but it was all for naught. They are too bought into the JavaScript stack. Case studies like this would have been super helpful in trying to make my claims.

It's funny, if you'd asked me almost a decade ago which language would compete with Go, I would not have answered "JavaScript"! Yet, these days I find that's the trade-off: build something "quick" in TypeScript that's easy to modify but perhaps a bit brittle and slow(er) to run in production, vs build something very considerate and optimized in Go but perhaps not something you can easily change without hiring folks s…

I tried go and it's nice to work with. The use-case of when to with me is limited by other existing good choices.

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by ngrilly »

logicslave12 wrote: post #15

Sure they made Go. But where are the innovations in search and information retrieval? Where are new data products? Sure, they innovated on word embeddings. But If they are going to monopolize and control access to information, why are they doing such a poor job at it? I say this with some anger. This company affects all of us, and they are completely mediocre from a product perspective. I welcome the day when NLP get…

Google Translate, for example, is amazing.

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by saagarjha »

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #19
saagarjha wrote: post #17

Important point: this is Google's use of Go, not your use of Go. Take note to check whether their results are applicable to you before adding it to your repertoire of "reasons we should use Go at our company".

These are case studies from companies that aren't google.

Are they? I see links to case studies about Firebase and Google Cloud.

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by saagarjha »

JamesBarney wrote: post #21

I see why go is clearly superior to C++. I see why it's simplicity is great for bringing new people up to speed. I see why it's concurrency model is better than many other languages. And I really like their software engineering philosophy. Go seems clearly one of the if not the best systems language around. But how is Go in the line of business web application space? The space that's historically been dominated by yo…

> I see why go is clearly superior to C++.

You shouldn't. If anything you should be looking into where C++ does better than Go and see if Go is improving there–and understanding that there will always be places where Go is not the best choice or even appropriate.

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by game_the0ry »

saagarjha wrote: post #20
game_the0ry wrote: post #12

Go as a new language is a mega success. K8s, docker, native concurrency, robust std lib, list goes on. Obviously, not the magical swiss army knife for all engineering use cases, but successful in a lot of domains and well-liked by developers. Winning. And its only version 1.XX. I've never even used go and I am impressed. Well done, Google. Well done. (golf clap)

> And its only version 1.XX. Are there plans for a new version that is radically different, or is it going to be like Java or macOS where updates continue to change what is usually considered the minor version?

No idea, but I think it is impressive that a language that is still on "version 1.XX" has been so successful so far.

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by theparanoid »

saagarjha wrote: post #20
game_the0ry wrote: post #12

Go as a new language is a mega success. K8s, docker, native concurrency, robust std lib, list goes on. Obviously, not the magical swiss army knife for all engineering use cases, but successful in a lot of domains and well-liked by developers. Winning. And its only version 1.XX. I've never even used go and I am impressed. Well done, Google. Well done. (golf clap)

> And its only version 1.XX. Are there plans for a new version that is radically different, or is it going to be like Java or macOS where updates continue to change what is usually considered the minor version?

Go 2 will have generics, https://blog.golang.org/generics-next-step

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by dewey »

saagarjha wrote: post #25
X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are case studies from companies that aren't google.

Are they? I see links to case studies about Firebase and Google Cloud.

Are you looking at the right page? The first three companies I see there are American Express, Capital One and Cloudflare on the list they link to:

https://go.dev/solutions/#case-studies

Re: New case studies about Google’s use of Go

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Post by zozbot234 »

lstamour wrote: post #10
enahs-sf wrote: post #4

I tried very hard to bring go into my previous employers environment, but it was all for naught. They are too bought into the JavaScript stack. Case studies like this would have been super helpful in trying to make my claims.

It's funny, if you'd asked me almost a decade ago which language would compete with Go, I would not have answered "JavaScript"! Yet, these days I find that's the trade-off: build something "quick" in TypeScript that's easy to modify but perhaps a bit brittle and slow(er) to run in production, vs build something very considerate and optimized in Go but perhaps not something you can easily change without hiring folks s…

I mean, it's hard to see Go as "very considerate and optimized" given the existence of modern, highly-efficient programming languages like Rust, D, perhaps Swift etc. It's obviously better optimized than JavaScript and its derivatives, or even Java/C#, but that's not saying much.
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