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Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

kumarvvr wrote: post #36
moritonal wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you expand on which industries will be improved? My normal life is covered entirely by 4G, with 5G now appearing. I guess you mean things like internet on planes, shipping internet, off-shore rigs? But what things can't they do at the moment because of prohibitorily slow/costly satellite internet?

Logistics - Tracking cargo, without interruption, in real-time, across the world. Shipping - Same as logistics, but across oceans. Real-Time weather data, from solar powered sensors, spread across the world. Real-Time video for tracking endangered wild-life. I think different people can come up with more ideas. The difference between satellite and cellular networks is coverage. Imagine if a nature loving adventurer f…

Logistics: already done via gps receivers and low bandwidth spot style satcom. SpaceX hasn't designed for mobile/vehicle mounted ground stations either.

Shipping: already done via AIS

Real Time Weather: already done by satellites with the required features. SpaceX is not building this.

Real Time Video: again, there's no way you're getting animal scale images out of a starlink scale sat.

I swear people have taken the usual Elon hype with this and gone to absolutely absurd lengths. This is not your iphone suddenly works globally. This is not a star trek communicator. This is an alternative to sat internet like Dish network et all. Is your hiker really gonna be hauling around a giant freakin' dish?

It's going to be a premium priced broadband service for rural customers and institutions that can afford it. If you know anything about the market you know DoD is gonna be the customer they focus on.

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by mola »

zhte415 wrote: post #55

Fantastic. I'm keenly curious on how this will work with national regulations. Having a single global ISP is very attractive on the surface and that's with the huge caveat on monopoly, but as an additional option. I'm just not sure how this will interact with some nations' policy/restrictions. Looking at this aspect very much.

Why is a single global isp good? That's basically saying a single company owning and controlling the internet. That sounds dystopic

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by piva00 »

emteycz wrote: post #108
unishark wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is true for much of the finance field.

Actually it's not. There are objective benefits to society that you simply ignore.

As there are objective downsides that we, collectively, are ignoring right now.

Financial capitalism shouldn't be praised, at the very best it's a lesson, we got useful tools out of it and that is all.

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

blickentwapft wrote: post #113
capableweb wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a heads up, you'll be downvoted, not because you're mentioning latency, but because your comment is low effort and basically complaining about discussions in a place where discussions are kind of the point. Is there any new information about latency since before that you want to expand on?

Cause with satellite is ALL about latency. It’s THE topic. Most comments here will reference it. It’s a critical issue. It doesn’t go away.

But by the existing evidence, the latency seems to be fine: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/i8n1s5/here_is_a_...

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

bencollier49 wrote: post #94

If this provides unfiltered internet to regimes which dislike it, will we see them blowing satellites out of orbit?

No, they'll simply deny licensing of spectrum over their land area, and SpaceX will comply.

This will never be some tool to counteract totalitarian governments.

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by capableweb »

blickentwapft wrote: post #113
capableweb wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a heads up, you'll be downvoted, not because you're mentioning latency, but because your comment is low effort and basically complaining about discussions in a place where discussions are kind of the point. Is there any new information about latency since before that you want to expand on?

Cause with satellite is ALL about latency. It’s THE topic. Most comments here will reference it. It’s a critical issue. It doesn’t go away.

If you check out the comment I made earlier, I'm very aware of that (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24291548)

But it's more interesting if we discuss the latency itself, rather than complaining about previous discussions around the latency.

As it seems right now, the latency is more than alright, at least for people who are used to really shitty latency. Sure, it's not gonna replace your home connection if you live in-or-near a city, but for the rest of us, it's much better than what was offered before.

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by fluffything »

ColoradoDev wrote: post #86
capableweb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Count yourself lucky you don't live in either South America, Africa or Asia, where +100ms latency is more common than not. Fortunately I can count on one hand the applications that don't work with +100ms latency (not counting gaming). Usually it's the fault of the application developers (or rather the infrastructure team) where they put too low timeouts for requests rather than letting the requests go for a bit longe…

> Fortunately I can count on one hand the applications that don't work with +100ms latency (not counting gaming). Pardon my ignorance, but what are some exampes of applications that wouldn’t work with +100 latency?

Anything that requires real-time interaction between a client and a server and other clients, e.g., gaming, stadia/geforce now, videoconferencing, ...

150ms is often "unusable", and for a smooth experience you might need < 30ms depending on the application (e.g. depending on the game you might need < 90ms or <60ms or <30ms).

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by porker »

reallydontask wrote: post #114
porker wrote: post #53

This is only a few Mbps slower than my Fibre-to-the-Cabinet broadband in the UK provides. And I'm living in a town; plenty of rural areas are much slower.

I'm in a VM cabled area, so the I get ~ 100/10 Mbps and ~ 12 ms ping. This is the second lowest tier that VM offer btw

They put in VM 2 years ago - and missed off the suburb in which I and 2k others live.

I'm not holding my breath... but I had VM before I moved here, and prefer the BT-network service to it.

Re: SpaceX Starlink average speedtest is 42.3Mbps down / 9.7 Mbps up

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Post by capableweb »

zhte415 wrote: post #55

Fantastic. I'm keenly curious on how this will work with national regulations. Having a single global ISP is very attractive on the surface and that's with the huge caveat on monopoly, but as an additional option. I'm just not sure how this will interact with some nations' policy/restrictions. Looking at this aspect very much.

The right way of making sure this doesn't become a monopoly is to treat this satellite infrastructure just as you treat the fiber infrastructure in many countries. Where instead of having the ISP owning the infrastructure, they can rent the usage of it, so you can have many competing companies using it.

So Starlink would be the infrastructure and they need to allow others to use it on the same level as the Starlink ISP uses it.

One example of this already working is in Sweden, where Telia-Sonera is owning the actual infrastructure but they have to allow others to use it as well. So in Sweden you have plenty of ISP choice, one of them being Telia-Sonera, but not only them.

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