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TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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So we're fighting wars by meddling with companies now of other countries?

Considering we've been retaliating tit for tat with China for awhile now, it's inevitable we'd start blocking their tech companies like they've done to Google, FB, etc. I see the list of blacklisted Chinese tech companies increasing in the near future.

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Why hasn't this been a problem for Zoom? If somebody has data about government employees or even recordings of meetings then it is Zoom, not TikTok.

Because I can file a lawsuit against Zoom or I can speak to the press and have them investigate any evidence I may have. You can't do either with a Chinese company.

You can file a lawsuit against any company that operates in the USA.

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We're still talking about Donald "grab them by the pussy" Trump here, aren't we? ANYTHING is possible in the USA since that guy got president.

You do realize Barack Obama fucked his wife right? Multiple times as they have 2 children. They probably talk dirty to each other when they're alone, like almost every other couple that exists. Should I now think less of Obama on the off chance he secretly spanks his wife in bed? My point is you have to be very far removed from society to believe that no one has ever talked in a vulgar fashion, especially in a countr…

Why are you focusing on the vulgarity of the comments and not the fact that it would be non-concensual?

> I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Those very heavily imply non-consent. The vulgarity comes much later as an issue.

More so, Obama spanking his wife in bed is a hopefully consensual private act between husband and wife. Trump talking about random women, who are not his wives nor in a relationship with him as to how he just kisses them and they let him since he has the power is for one, rape, and two, cheating on his wife.

Rather different scenarios.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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A few million. But that number goes way up once I've banked a few million. This guy presumably has plenty.

A few billion, at least for those kind of stakes

Nonsense, politicians get into much more trouble for way less than that. He just doesn't know how to handle pressure - which is what he is paid well to do. Unacceptable.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

#135

As a European I find this whole story very confusing. A president that can just force a specific company on very short notice to shut down operation, is very concerning. What is even more concerning is that a lot of people here tend to agree because of the China thing. If it is that important, why is there no law that enforces this?

Most countries have significant rules and regulations around foreign-owned corporations. Countries generally think it's important to their national security to prevent widespread foreign ownership of internal resources. But there is a trade-off where you make reciprocal deals with trusted foreign trade partners to facilitate trade and growth. Everything works smoothly when everyone plays by the same rules.

China has some of the most draconian restrictions on foreign ownership anywhere yet still gets access to foreign markets. Major US corporations are often forced to set up Chinese-majority-owned subsidiaries to operate in China and must cede huge amounts of control to the Chinese government. Time after time, this results in locals ripping off the technology of the foreign company and then the foreign company being replaced by a local company. Look at the long history of US tech startups failing in China.

The point is that whether you think this specific action is right or wrong, it's totally normal tit-for-tat geopolitics. Countries impose tons of restrictions on foreign-owned corporations. You can't even do something as simple as set up an S Corp in the US if you are foreign.

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What I still don't understand is why European governments haven't made tit for tat measures against China in corporate law. Why do we allow free market access to chinese companies when they don't? Are we crazy? Why not give the keys to our factories/companies while we are at it?

Because we're an open society. We're certainly not handing over any keys. There is more to capitalist democracies than intellectual property.

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WeChat isn't a threat because barely any Americans use it.

Many Chinese Americans use it to communicate with family. Some of them work on sensitive programs and are easily monitored by a multi app with broad permissions.

Chinese immigrants are the primary users in the states, and they don’t use it for any economic transactions in the USA, obviously (stores might support wepay, but that is targeted at Chinese tourists).

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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You are absolutely right in that it gives the wrong impression of "everyone thinks the same". That said, I don't think that is the intention, ever, when it's used. There are certain aspects in how things work in the US that are so far disconnected to how it is, in most of Europe, that is baffling. By an large, this difference applies to most of Europe. It is of course an oversimplification. But, here are a few boggli…

Maybe more nuanced would be EU citizen, instead of European. At least the EU has some sort of political agenda and a somewhat coherent view on international relations. A continent on the other hand does not have an agenda. It is a landmass.

I don't think it gets hugely better when you look at the EU. I mean, maybe it becomes possible to say some things as an EU citizen, but the differences between governance and politics in Sweden and Bulgaria are significant. Private prisons are certainly available in the (current and recent) EU. (Literal, not merely "ad") corruption is barely hidden in the east, and certainly present in the west. Indeed, an American could easily react with a measure of shock about how little Europeans care about how important a free press is to sustained democracy.

The EU does stuff, but it is far more interested in a being a trade block than a protector of liberal democracy.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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The joke is, kids/K-Pop fans communicated on TikTok to "prank" Trump by buying tickets to his rally and not showing up, making him look bad, and 10 days later Trump started roaring about the app. Of course Fox News, etc, claim "this Chinese app is subverting democracy", etc, but IMHO they were just using it to communicate...

I would hope the majority of people who are aware of international affairs do not think so lowly of the American people, so dimly of American government, and so shallowly of international politics, that they'd believe our president would (or be allowed to, for that matter) coordinate a government-wide subversion campaign with far-reaching consequences over a prank

Come on, this is Trump we are talking about, all form of reason and decorum was thrown out the window along time ago.

Whether he is allowed to or not is up for the courts to decide.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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As much as the US government would like people to believe otherwise, things like laws goes out the window pretty quickly when it comes to geopolitics. This isn't a new thing in the US either. Maybe just more people are realizing it recently.

I am neither a US Citizen or a resident BUT this is not only about "geopolitics" but more about National Security too. There's literally a law in China which states you have to provide "crucial information for review" to the government if asked. You(the firm operating in China) cant deny that. Period. That itself is scary, regardless of whether or not politics / geopolitics is involved. The law (Source: https://en.wi…

There is literally a law in every country that follows the same theme. The UK has the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016)... the US uses FISA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intellig... globally there is Five Eyes and SSEUR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes) working together on information gathering & intelligence sharing which often includes another member harvesting data when local laws don't permit it.

This is not about national security. This is economic retaliation in a long brewing cold war over influence and power, backed by lobbyists who do not like being left out in the cold due to China's protectionist policies.

Call it what it is and I would be surprised if more people didn't support it. But it is becoming far too common for many aspects of politics that are driven by profit or control hiding behind the guise of national security.

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