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TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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What makes you think that? The Russian government just poisoned another opposition thinker, these things are not beyond the pale. North Korea hired a couple of pretty girls to kill a renegade brother or somesuch in public . China has disappeared people over just a few wrong words If I were in that position I'd make sure I have at least a couple bodyguards, and good ones at that

Worlds of difference between those countries and functioning democracies.

Kim Jong-nam was assassinated in public, at an airport in South Korea.

It's not like these folks are limited to their own borders. How many hours is a transpacific flight again?

No doubt that "not pissing off the Chinese government" is one of the many reasons Mayer won't be speaking freely about the U.S. selloff in public.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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To me this reads as tiktok definitely being acquired. And as they negotiate with either Microsoft or Oracle it is becoming clear to Mayer that he will have more oversight and a greater focus on profitability over growth which isn't what he signed up for.

What in the world is Oracle going to do with TikTok? For both of these companies it seems like such a strange acquisition.

a) It will be rewritten in Java and forced to run on Oracle Cloud.

b) Oracle Field Sales will be compensated by how many times they can mention TikTok to middle managers on the golf course.

c) Endless ads about how TikTok is powered by Oracle Cloud.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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As much as the US government would like people to believe otherwise, things like laws goes out the window pretty quickly when it comes to geopolitics. This isn't a new thing in the US either. Maybe just more people are realizing it recently.

I am neither a US Citizen or a resident BUT this is not only about "geopolitics" but more about National Security too. There's literally a law in China which states you have to provide "crucial information for review" to the government if asked. You(the firm operating in China) cant deny that. Period. That itself is scary, regardless of whether or not politics / geopolitics is involved. The law (Source: https://en.wi…

> There's literally a law in China which states you have to provide "crucial information for review" to the government if asked. You(the firm operating in China) cant deny that. Period.

Despite having a Chinese parent, isn't it the case that TikTok itself does not operate in China?

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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If I were TikTok I would move my international operations to a European country that was friendly to me and then wait until the anti-China sentiment in the US settled and then try again. Rather that than force-selling the US part at a bargain price. Europe would love a social media giant that could match those of the US. And just behaved better than the US ones when it came to taxes and data privacy ...

The sentiment in Europe right now is fear over Chinese money purchasing European companies piecemeal.

European valuations are kept artificially low by, well, it seems just by being in Europe. With companies struggling from covid, the usual lack of European leadership on any sort of stimulus, and the US not in a position to bail the European economy out again a la 2008, there are a lot of buying opportunities.

Currently the sentiment is mainly confined to political and business circles, but I wouldn't be surprised if it overflows into the general public once jobs currently on wage support start disappearing next year.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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They operate under the rules of a powerful political jurisdiction which is not particularly friendly to the US. Here's a simplified version of how the government thinks about it: If Facebook has data on a government employee, it's not a big deal, because Facebook stores that data in the US, and is friendly to the US, and if they do anything bad, they ultimately answer to the laws and regulations of the US government.…

Why hasn't this been a problem for Zoom? If somebody has data about government employees or even recordings of meetings then it is Zoom, not TikTok.

Because I can file a lawsuit against Zoom or I can speak to the press and have them investigate any evidence I may have.

You can't do either with a Chinese company.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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I would hope the majority of people who are aware of international affairs do not think so lowly of the American people, so dimly of American government, and so shallowly of international politics, that they'd believe our president would (or be allowed to, for that matter) coordinate a government-wide subversion campaign with far-reaching consequences over a prank

We're still talking about Donald "grab them by the pussy" Trump here, aren't we? ANYTHING is possible in the USA since that guy got president.

You do realize Barack Obama fucked his wife right? Multiple times as they have 2 children. They probably talk dirty to each other when they're alone, like almost every other couple that exists.

Should I now think less of Obama on the off chance he secretly spanks his wife in bed?

My point is you have to be very far removed from society to believe that no one has ever talked in a vulgar fashion, especially in a country as sexualized as ours. And to then equate vulgar chat in private conversation somehow with the idea that nonsense is suddenly an acceptable state for Americans. You can think what you want.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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I am highjacking your comment to express my confusion about this dispute. Not that it exists, but on what grounds it exists. Has TikTok done something that is materially different and worse from what, for example, Facebook has? Or is it only that they do similar things, but they originate from China?

The stated issue is that TikTok may share American user data with China and that there’s not any real way for the US to prevent this possibility. So it’s seen as a national security issue that the Chinese govt could track Americans. TikTok has insisted that there’s no way that user data could be shared with the Chinese govt but I think US regulation bodies and intelligence do not buy it.

Is the national security concern that high-profile Americans such as members of congress, high ranking US military or executive branch officials are exchanging classified state information across Tiktok?

Or is the national security concern that the Chinese government can force TikTok to give up their data to Chinese authorities?

So China has 1.4 billion people to data mine on using a minority-report-like data warehouse mega structure in the like of which the world has never seen before, and all of those people are in their own jurisdiction. Assuming that’s the kind of infrastructure the Chinese government can build and is fully operational, why would they justify the time, cost, and energy required to fetch what meme someone’s looking at from overseas and risk damaging their already shaky reputation with their biggest trading partner? Even if there’s a conspiracy and they cared about what your phone number was or where you lived, what could they do with it? Yes clearly the most plausible theory is that they’re kidnapping Americans from their homes in broad daylight. Or perhaps covid was synthesized in a lab so next year Americans will be getting biological super weapons mailed to them. Or maybe 5G is a mind control device that’s hiding the truth from all of us, the truth that you can parse html with regex.

Anyways, we have a presidency largely based on putting pressure on China with a proven history of reactionary measures would, make a reactionary anti-china measure for the sake of supporting a partisan policy right before the November election.

There are obviously a lot of shady things we are seeing surfacing from the Chinese government that warrant further investigation, and there are diligent people are on the ground right now trying to push through the secrecy of that government. But with Tiktok, it’s a baseless conspiracy theory rooted in irrational fear that’s being used as a political tool.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

#98

As a European I find this whole story very confusing. A president that can just force a specific company on very short notice to shut down operation, is very concerning. What is even more concerning is that a lot of people here tend to agree because of the China thing. If it is that important, why is there no law that enforces this?

I hate this "As a European" generalizations as if Europe has an entirely homogeneous spread of governance. Take this for a second; Bulgaria and Denmark is both Europe, or Hungary and Sweden.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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As a European I find this whole story very confusing. A president that can just force a specific company on very short notice to shut down operation, is very concerning. What is even more concerning is that a lot of people here tend to agree because of the China thing. If it is that important, why is there no law that enforces this?

I support it because of "the China thing". Not because I think China is inherently bad (I am capable of separating China from the CCP) but as long as the CCP enforces heir draconian laws that don't permit foreign companies free access to the Chinese market I think this should be reciprocated. Any other response is reckless.

Re: TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company

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I am neither a US Citizen or a resident BUT this is not only about "geopolitics" but more about National Security too. There's literally a law in China which states you have to provide "crucial information for review" to the government if asked. You(the firm operating in China) cant deny that. Period. That itself is scary, regardless of whether or not politics / geopolitics is involved. The law (Source: https://en.wi…

> There's literally a law in China which states you have to provide "crucial information for review" to the government if asked. You(the firm operating in China) cant deny that. Period. Despite having a Chinese parent, isn't it the case that TikTok itself does not operate in China?

That doesn't stop the parent company from being beholden to CCP's demands.
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