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Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

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Sticking Hawking and Tesla in with Bose and Poincare is .... eccentric. It's not a popularity contest. Fun fact: one of Bose's grandsons worked as a bartender at Triple Rock in Berkeley for a while.

I mean, Tesla was as ubiquitous (if not more) in my EE degree as Bose and Poincare were in my Physics degree. I don't think I heard Hawking mentioned once during my Physics degree but I also didn't care to take any astronomy coursework.

Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

#42

Sticking Hawking and Tesla in with Bose and Poincare is .... eccentric. It's not a popularity contest. Fun fact: one of Bose's grandsons worked as a bartender at Triple Rock in Berkeley for a while.

I mean, Tesla was as ubiquitous (if not more) in my EE degree as Bose and Poincare were in my Physics degree. I don't think I heard Hawking mentioned once during my Physics degree but I also didn't care to take any astronomy coursework.

Hawking was a cosmologist not an astronomer. It would have come in any class covering advanced black hole theory.

Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

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+1 for Noller. In a previous life, I worked as an undergrad in an RNA lab (remains the best job I have ever had) and we studied Noller's work closely.

Harry was a great teacher (I had him for Biochem 101 and a lab class). Very understated but quite good at communicating his enthusiasm for the biophysics underlying biology). The lab class, "Biology of Macromolecules" was challenging: you're handed a pile of microbial cells, told the species, and then you have to go to the primary literature and learn how to purify restriction endonuclease from it (using the original…

I got into the UCSC grad program at the time you were there but didn't go. Funny how our paths almost crossed. I actually wanted to study with Haussler whom I met over lunch once. Yeah, I chose the SE life with family, kids myself. IMO there are too many scientists discouraging students from being scientists. Yeah, it is hard, but anything of value is going to be a challenge no matter what you do.

Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

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post #42

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I mean, Tesla was as ubiquitous (if not more) in my EE degree as Bose and Poincare were in my Physics degree. I don't think I heard Hawking mentioned once during my Physics degree but I also didn't care to take any astronomy coursework.

Hawking was a cosmologist not an astronomer. It would have come in any class covering advanced black hole theory.

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Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

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Yes. That is true. She passed away before the Nobel. Anyone interested in this topic should read "The Double Helix" by Watson. It is a real page turner and discusses how Watson and Crick kind of stole Franklin's research.

Absolutely. Now there is an interesting question. How could Watson and Crick have figured out Franklin's data faster than she did? The answer turns out to be coincidence. There are 230 crystallographic groups. As a crystallographer, Franklin knew them all, and had to rule them all out. However Watson had done his PhD research on a protein that happened to have the same crystallographic group as DNA. So he knew one gr…

I don't think what you said is accurate. First, the work was done in fibre diffraction (2d pattern), not crystal diffractionso I'm not certain that crystallographic groups even apply (typically for representing 3d symmetry groups). Second, nothing in the W&C paper has to do with determining the crystallographic group, rather they proposed a model which was consistent with the diffraction data, but also with a wide range of other observations, such as Chargaff's rules, which led to the modelling of base pairs with the correct eno/ketol forms. What Franklin did know was that the structural was helical, but not that it was a double helix with antiparallel strands (and that's what W&C posited, leading to the most wonderfully stated conclusion of all time ("it has not escaped our notice...")

A few other important points: Franklin published a paper in the same journal edition as W&C with her own work. W&C thanked Franklin (she's in the acknowledgements). She got more credit than people today believe (mainly because of the misleading book "Dark Lady" and the terrible book "The Double Helix").

The best original source I've found on this is The Eighth Day of Creation, which is based on primary sources (Franklin's notebooks which she willed to Aaron Klug, along wiht interviews with most of the people involved). After reading that I concluded that the work Franklin did on this project did not warrant a Nobel Prize even if she had not died before it was awarded.

(my PhD is on DNA structure, and I spent a huge amount of time researching its history)

Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

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post #39

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Harry was a great teacher (I had him for Biochem 101 and a lab class). Very understated but quite good at communicating his enthusiasm for the biophysics underlying biology). The lab class, "Biology of Macromolecules" was challenging: you're handed a pile of microbial cells, told the species, and then you have to go to the primary literature and learn how to purify restriction endonuclease from it (using the original…

I got into the UCSC grad program at the time you were there but didn't go. Funny how our paths almost crossed. I actually wanted to study with Haussler whom I met over lunch once. Yeah, I chose the SE life with family, kids myself. IMO there are too many scientists discouraging students from being scientists. Yeah, it is hard, but anything of value is going to be a challenge no matter what you do.

Haussler was my undergrad advisor (along with Harry). I remember I tried to get a job working for Harry, and when he turned me down his postdoc said "Hey, David Haussler over in CS is starting up a computational biology group, you should go talk to them". That was one of the most valuable pieces of long-term career advice I could ever get.

Personally I now actively advise people to avoid becoming (academic) scientists unless they are willing to dedicate an unreasonable amount of their life to it (more or less agreeing with Harry). It's really unfortunate but there just aren't enough jobs out there and too many of the folks who do manage to get positions aren't particularly honest or ethical.

Re: Scientists who never won a Nobel Prize

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Raymond Damadian.

The Nobel for inventing MRI went to Lauterbur and Mansfield, even though Damadian played a major role and is recognized by many as "an inventor of MRI". Full page ads ran in newspapers at the height of the controversy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Damadian#Nobel_Prize_c...

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