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Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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> We think that revoking certificates based on questionable data discredits the certification system. It's hard to dispute this imo. There are many good reasons certificates should be revoked, but the reasoning should be 100% public information, for both the vendor and users who may have trusted the original certificate. I'm building a desktop app, and the process to even get a certificate is absurd. Each CA has thei…

There's another aspect of this situation that also discredits the system: that they can just go out and get a different cert from another vendor. How many such vendors are there? How long would it take for an actual bad actor to have all their certs discovered and revoked? If that time is long, then the certification process is of even more dubious value, since the bad guys would not be materially hindered by the cer…

"Security-in-depth": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24193087

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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Yes. People who don't know any better alternatives continue to use it, and continue to recommend it to other people. So the cycle continues. Heck, WinZip still makes new releases so I'm sure people still use that too.

I have found that some multipart rar files fail to extract properly with 7zip. Most are fine though, but I normally have the unrar-nonfree package installed for the few that don't work.

Had a similar issue with some rar files but the latest v20.02 seems to have solved it and everything work fine so far, also if you want try to report this issue on their forum.

https://sourceforge.net/p/sevenzip/discussion/45797/thread/9...

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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It would be incredibly sad to see them go out of business, it's such an iconic piece of software.

> It would be incredibly sad to see them go out of business, it's such an iconic piece of software. Granted, it's also famous for (supposedly) nobody ever paying for it, which doesn't exactly lend itself to staying in business.

That's true, but considering how widespread the software is, it's likely that they only need a tiny percentage of the overall user-base to pay to remain a sustainable business.

They could at any point have changed the software to prevent it from functioning after the trial has expired - they're not going to be so naive to think people will all pay just because of a prompt that can be easily dismissed.

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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Peazip: https://peazip.github.io/ I used to use 7zip, but switched when I discovered that Peazip doesn't extract to a temporary directory when extracting (thus, saving extra I/O work). It directly extracts into the target directory.

Is a file move that big of an IO operation?

depends on the move operation. 1 file you would not notice it. Thousands it would add up. Across 2 physical drives you may also notice it if the file is big enough.

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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7zip

I haven’t used WinRAR in ages, but what makes 7zip (which I use as well) better?

7zip is completely free and OpenSource, and more modern.

I think that they also support more archive formats and they even have their own open format 7z.

Based on their own claims, there are also faster and more efficient than Winrar.

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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Peazip: https://peazip.github.io/ I used to use 7zip, but switched when I discovered that Peazip doesn't extract to a temporary directory when extracting (thus, saving extra I/O work). It directly extracts into the target directory.

In response to WayToDoor, some archives contain thousands of files, and it's essentially doubling the number of filesystem operations by putting them in a temp directory and then moving. If the temp directory is on a different drive from the destination, then it's recopying all the data. I thought the creation of the files in the temp directory was an unavoidable artifact of how drag-and-drop worked in Windows. If pe…

Avoiding a temp directories is usually a good thing, unless the temp directory allows you to avoid operations on removable drives. I've noticed on windows with drives marked as "removable" it's almost always faster to copy an archive to the harddrive (non-removable drive) extract it and copy the contents back. I'm assuming this is because of the different or lack of caching available for removable drives. Random read/write is typically a lot slower that sequential read/write so an ideal solution would take into account the relative performance of different drives before with making or not making a temp folder.

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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Do people still use WinRar? :O

I do use 7-zip myself, but WinRAR has still a more feature rich user interface out of the box than 7-zip and while 7-zip has better compression in general, compression isn't everything when they're this close to each other, like a few percents different ratio.

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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I would have incremented the version number so the likes of Chocolatey would pick it up and replace the version installed with a revoked certificate as part of a regular update.

I agree; the .exe is different (because the signature/certificate is embedded), so it should be a different version number.

Re: Information on the revocation of WinRAR 5.91 digital certificate

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Do people still use WinRar? :O

WinRAR does everything you ask of it; compress or decompress archives in one click. Why wouldn't people still use it?

Because every operating system has built in zip compression support.
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