I'm concerned our justice systems is expending enormous resources investigating and prosecuting these cases as felony crimes on behalf of the MPAA and RIAA lobbies (which have a revolving door of former fed prosecutors as employees/lobbyists). The cases are more properly pursued in civil court where the pirates should be sued for the damages they cause (not agreeing with MPAA's damage assessment, that's for the judge…
US indictments of piracy group members throw top-tier piracy world into chaos
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Re: US indictments of piracy group members throw top-tier piracy world into chaos
#42I'm concerned our justice systems is expending enormous resources investigating and prosecuting these cases as felony crimes on behalf of the MPAA and RIAA lobbies (which have a revolving door of former fed prosecutors as employees/lobbyists). The cases are more properly pursued in civil court where the pirates should be sued for the damages they cause (not agreeing with MPAA's damage assessment, that's for the judge…
Dotcom's company's whole purpose was to make money facilitating movie piracy, under the guise of being an innocent file storage and sharing company. Their internal processes and procedures were designed to make it appear that they took down pirated material when informed of its existence while actually making sure it was still there and accessible via other links that the copyright owner had not yet discovered. They…
I would tend to agree with mrandish, for the simple fact that they don't do that sort of raid even for people who owe the taxman several multiples of the profits Dotcom allegedly/apparently made.
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#43Wow, that's a whole lot of work put into this, and I don't understand why... What do these scene members have to gain? If anything, they're doing the media companies a service, free viral campaigns. Without pirated content, a lot of people would never hear or care about their movies, TV shows, music. If they can't afford it, they won't buy it anyway. Microsoft and Adobe seem to have realized this, and now they're mak…
>> Wow, that's a whole lot of work put into this, and I don't understand why... What do these scene members have to gain? That's what I was wondering. Do they monetize the activity with ad revenue? Other than that I cant think of any motivation other than some kind of status seeking.
They aren't allowed to. In general, releases are nuked [0] if they don't follow certain rules [1].
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuke_(warez)
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_(warez)#What_is_defin...
Re: US indictments of piracy group members throw top-tier piracy world into chaos
#44This doesn't work the way people think it does, there is literally no justice involved. The CIA is used to using movies and television as a pathway for manipulating the American population. There is a very long history of this happening and the people they use (yes use) to do this aren't making the revenues they are used to making.
As a result they are resorting to ugly tactics like taking over companies to play psychological games with people in online piracy and gaslighting people who run piracy servers. Several people who run piracy sites have been gaslit to the point of suggestibility and that usually ends in the person committing suicide or dying in strange ways. Deimos (the founder of demonoid) and Aaron Swartz were targets of this kind of treatment and almost none of the people who know them are aware of this because it is all psychological.
The way this is handled in reality is brutal psychological operations (triggering schizophrenia, learned dependency, triggering PTSD, gaslighting, etc), never believe anything you hear about the American government prosecuting crimes like online piracy, it is not handled in the courts. When you see someone who was perfectly normal and has their life fall apart out of nowhere until they are worn down physically or psychologically it is almost always the US government in one form or another. Sometimes it is intentional and sometimes it is unintentional (i.e. some part of the government gets tricked into running a psychological operation on someone), this isn't conspiracy it is being done in broad daylight everyday all over the country because it only has meaning to the person being targeted.
Re: US indictments of piracy group members throw top-tier piracy world into chaos
#45Wow, that's a whole lot of work put into this, and I don't understand why... What do these scene members have to gain? If anything, they're doing the media companies a service, free viral campaigns. Without pirated content, a lot of people would never hear or care about their movies, TV shows, music. If they can't afford it, they won't buy it anyway. Microsoft and Adobe seem to have realized this, and now they're mak…
> Microsoft and Adobe seem to have realized this, and now they're making things accessible to most people, so many ex-pirates used to their products are buying them. Not so for the media companies. Why does Netflix USA/UK/etc have different content? Why do games have region locks and ridiculous DRM? The thing here seems to be ease of access. Adobe products were at one point more easily gotten in pirated fashion than…
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dotcom's company's whole purpose was to make money facilitating movie piracy, under the guise of being an innocent file storage and sharing company. Their internal processes and procedures were designed to make it appear that they took down pirated material when informed of its existence while actually making sure it was still there and accessible via other links that the copyright owner had not yet discovered. They…
mrandish's point is that the amount of effort spent on Dotcom by authorities was disproportionate to the size and importance of the crime, and abusive of the legal system. This might well be true at the same time as the fact that Dotcom was a criminal. I would tend to agree with mrandish, for the simple fact that they don't do that sort of raid even for people who owe the taxman several multiples of the profits Dotco…
If these cretins want to distribute art for free, they can get off their butts and make their own. No one is stopping them. The world needs more voices, but piracy encourages these loafers to do nothing.
Re: US indictments of piracy group members throw top-tier piracy world into chaos
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
mrandish's point is that the amount of effort spent on Dotcom by authorities was disproportionate to the size and importance of the crime, and abusive of the legal system. This might well be true at the same time as the fact that Dotcom was a criminal. I would tend to agree with mrandish, for the simple fact that they don't do that sort of raid even for people who owe the taxman several multiples of the profits Dotco…
Let me say as an artist who has watched his hard work being openly pirated, I disagree. Piracy destroys jobs, opportunity and initiative. If these cretins want to distribute art for free, they can get off their butts and make their own. No one is stopping them. The world needs more voices, but piracy encourages these loafers to do nothing.
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#48The justice system is complete crap, the US government doesn't have the ability to deal with piracy because it is international. This doesn't work the way people think it does, there is literally no justice involved. The CIA is used to using movies and television as a pathway for manipulating the American population. There is a very long history of this happening and the people they use (yes use) to do this aren't ma…
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#49Thank you torrent freak for putting the legal documents directly linked at the bottom. I'm not sure why some news outlets don't do this.
I would really like all news sources to link their sources at the bottom of the article. For anonymous sources, make a document detailing the source and publish a hash at least, and promise to reveal the source in 1/5/10/50/100 years.
Re: US indictments of piracy group members throw top-tier piracy world into chaos
#50The justice system is complete crap, the US government doesn't have the ability to deal with piracy because it is international. This doesn't work the way people think it does, there is literally no justice involved. The CIA is used to using movies and television as a pathway for manipulating the American population. There is a very long history of this happening and the people they use (yes use) to do this aren't ma…
Are you suggesting the CIA uses movies as a revenue source to fund other operations?