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Rethinking the App Store

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Re: Rethinking the App Store

#21
Fantastically well-written article.

The "problem" with forming an opinion about Apple Store rules is that the users are willingly and knowingly putting themselves in the golden cage of apple by buying an iPhone.

Under this view the problem is not with Apple, that created a framework that users want, and communicate accurately to its customers what they get - but rather with the app developers, who wants to reach Apple clients, without accepting the rules of the framework that those clients chose willingly.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

#23
This is a very emotive issue here and we're never all going to agree on these issues. I hope though that it is possible to reach a consensus on a few areas I think were well explained in the article.

One is in-app signup. I have no problem with Apple charging a fee for services accessed via the phone when you sign up through the phone. I do think it's user hostile and opaque to not allow apps to refer the customer to a web site to buy a subscription though. Apple should compete on convenience, not awkward asymmetric information restrictions.

The other is the organising principle issue. I agree it makes sense to base the decision to charge on whether the service incurs marginal cost. That seems a fair way to do it, I just don't understand how that could be made into a clearly and unambiguously applicable rule. You may well end up with even more of a fractious grey zone.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

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I am of the opinion that the only fair option is to allow 3rd party stores with the same permissions as the official app store. Apples curation isn't (as they suggest) preventing malware, theft of information, etc - this if verifiably false given recent history with apps like tiktok stealing clipboard content. The ability to change content of payment screens post-approval (as epic have just done) also means that cura…

As far as I understood TikTok and others weren’t stealing content, there are legitimate reasons to access the clipboard to check for links for example or other type of content the app would be interested into. It would be stealing if they actually send the content back to their servers, but I haven’t seen reports saying that’s the case.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

#25

I am of the opinion that the only fair option is to allow 3rd party stores with the same permissions as the official app store. Apples curation isn't (as they suggest) preventing malware, theft of information, etc - this if verifiably false given recent history with apps like tiktok stealing clipboard content. The ability to change content of payment screens post-approval (as epic have just done) also means that cura…

> with apps like tiktok stealing clipboard content

I do not get the focus on TikTok. Yes, it read your clipboard content… just like Snapchat, Instagram, Reddit, etc. Most security researchers agree that TikTok is among the more restrained social media apps, when it comes to gathering user data.

This is a bad look for the social media landscape in general, not TikTok specifically.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

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post #4

I love Stratechery, but I think this one gets it wrong. Think of App Store as three products: 1. App quality screening 2. App promotion/distribution 3. In app purchasing Ask any reasonable dev if they are willing to foot a fixed cost to get their app screened, a fixed cost per app download (bandwidth), and variable cost to get their app promoted in the store (not everyone needs this) and they would agree. What pisses…

> App promotion

In my experience with the App Store this is not true for the vast majority of apps.

Only a very minor subset of apps actually get promotion on the App Store, everything else is so undiscoverable that searching the store with the app name verbatim isn't guaranteed to show it.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

#27

I am of the opinion that the only fair option is to allow 3rd party stores with the same permissions as the official app store. Apples curation isn't (as they suggest) preventing malware, theft of information, etc - this if verifiably false given recent history with apps like tiktok stealing clipboard content. The ability to change content of payment screens post-approval (as epic have just done) also means that cura…

I'm on the same opinion, once the device is mine I should be able to install whatever I want. What would happen if I couldn't install the software I want on a desktop device? I really don't get how apple has survived so long with such a tight leash on IOS.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

#28
Note how many sources wanted to stay anonymous "for fear of upsetting Apple".

Apple knows they can end businesses with the click of a finger. That's what they tried to do by ending the dev license for Unreal Engine. And Apple wants everybody to know that they know. I'm almost certain that the Unreal Dev license revocation is a result of a similar email chain as what happened to Kindle - https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/31/emails-apple-blocked-ki... - execs just thinking of a way to punish the company.

This, for me, is the biggest monopoly argument. Too much business success is hinged on Apple being happy, and they start to abuse this power more and more by tightening (the interpretation of) App Store rules like requiring in-app purchases etc.

IMO Epic is not the best company to challenge Apple in all this, but in American judicial system Epic may be one of the very few companies that can afford this lawsuit.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

#29

I am of the opinion that the only fair option is to allow 3rd party stores with the same permissions as the official app store. Apples curation isn't (as they suggest) preventing malware, theft of information, etc - this if verifiably false given recent history with apps like tiktok stealing clipboard content. The ability to change content of payment screens post-approval (as epic have just done) also means that cura…

Part of Apple's security does in fact come from the curation process.

Access to private APIs for example is not preventable at runtime due to the way Objective-C works.

And the ability to change payment screens etc at runtime has always been possible. But Apple simply bans the developer and so instances of this happening in the wild have been basically non-existant.

Re: Rethinking the App Store

#30

The concept that Apple needs to have a monopoly on app distribution for privacy and security is a smokescreen. The OS does that with its capability based design which of course the desktop OSs have a very hard time migrating to after the fact. Having other means to install apps doesn’t change that at all. And what’s more, nothing forces a user to actually go outside the Apple App Store if they want the supposed benef…

That’s only partly true. Apple app reviews is also about stopping more shady dark patterns that are tricking the user in accepting something they in fact don’t want, that cannot always be handled by their capabilities system (think social engineering).

But I agree with your general point, it’s a smokescreen and even with other stores they would still have complete control over the system and security features.

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