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Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

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I can't stand to see this sort of logical inversion take place. There are exactly two possibilities: A. The timestamps weren't modified at all, and the modification time on the file truly represents the time at which they were written. ie: the timestamps are a roughly accurate indicator of transfer speed. B. The timestamps were modified, but the hackers specifically went through the effort to calculate timestamps tha…

There is a much more plausible explanation: 1. The timestamps reflect some process that occurred before the files were uploaded to the internet. That's it. That's the plausible explanation. * Secondary transfer to removable media that changed timestamps * Transfer to network file server, likewise * Archival * Compression/decompression * Encryption/decryption * Analysis of files that touched them (set timestamp) to in…

It'd be interesting to note which application was supposedly used to copy the files around.

eg `rsync -aP` widely used by SysAdmin/DevOps people specifically sets the timestamp of copied files to match their source.

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the proof that a certain set of files were not hacked by an expert hacking agency is that the last modified time stamps are not consistent with them... I remember fooling my 9 year old sister by modifying the metadata for files when I was 14. I didn’t realize expert hackers are incapable of figuring out what I did as a 14 year old.

I can't stand to see this sort of logical inversion take place. There are exactly two possibilities: A. The timestamps weren't modified at all, and the modification time on the file truly represents the time at which they were written. ie: the timestamps are a roughly accurate indicator of transfer speed. B. The timestamps were modified, but the hackers specifically went through the effort to calculate timestamps tha…

How is it a conspiracy theory that the timestamps were modified? Timestamps aren't difficult to modify and it's not hard to imagine a script introducing jitter to make it realistic. It's also not a stretch to believe that real USB transfers were used to create the timestamp, but it doesn't indicate that the primary hack/exfiltration was done via a USB transfer.

I don't think you know what a conspiracy theory is or why they tend to be ridiculous.

It's hardly wild to think that a bad actor capable of exfiltrating sensitive data might also cover its tracks by easily modifying metadata of files that the bad actor itself is leaking. That's not a conspiracy at all, timestamps can be modified alone without much difficulty and without recruiting a conspiracy of people and institutions.

Binney's argument, however, is wildly conspiratorial. Let me highlight a quote from the AMA [1]:

> They all blocked any reference to the forensic evidence we were coming up with, publicly. They were all part of it. It includes the Mueller investigation and the Rosenstein indictments.

Apparently it's more likely that multiple political and judicial institutions were "part" of an effort to block critical evidence. But wait, there's more:

> The MSM doesn't want anyone to know it happened!

Ah, all the "mainstream media" outlets were also in on it! Apparently they also worked with the multiple political and judicial institutions to hide this fact from the people.

Apparently The Mueller report, the intelligence agencies, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence are all wrong, were all part of an effort to hide important evidence, and even the many organizations that comprise the "Mainstream Media" are all in it together to stop people from knowing about it.

Wow, this is a secret and intimate collaboration between massive organizations on a scale we've never seen before. It's ridiculous.

It's not that I don't believe timestamps are usually accurate, it's that I don't believe easily modifiable timestamps is more reliable as evidence than the extensive intelligence and investigation carried out and reported by multiple independent institutions.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/igeixp/i_am_william_b...

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#43
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"I have proof", but no proof is given. Perhaps Reddit is just trying to stop a misinformation campaign.

i’m so glad we have reddit here to baby me and make sure no big bad “mis information” ever hits my precious ears. who knows what dangerous thing could happen. i might be forced to use critical thinking and evaluate claims on their values.

i’m so glad billion dollar corporations do my thinking for me :)

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#44

The central component of the allegation that the DNC leak was an inside job as opposed to a hack has been repeated by writers at Consortium News and by journalist Patrick Lawrence: > Key among the findings of the independent forensic investigations is the conclusion that the DNC data was copied onto a storage device at a speed that far exceeds an Internet capability for a remote hack. Here's the article from Patrick…

It's not only the speed. All of the timestamps of the files are even numbers, which is indicative of a FAT file system.

> "The directory entry for the FAT file system only has a 5-bit field for storing the number of seconds in the time. This limits the number stored in the field to the range 0-31, which is multiplied by two to obtain the number of seconds."

The timestamps appear to have been copied to a FAT filesystem (common for USB devices) on May 25, 2016.

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/04/...

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#45
I looked at the linked thread and don't see anything to substantiate the claim in the title here. It looks to me like the thread was shut down by the AMA mods, not the Reddit Admins.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/igeixp/i_am_william_b...

> While this is a fascinating topic from a notable public figure, the mod team would like to remind everyone not to believe everything they read on the internet. Normally, we’d hesitate to allow an AMA with a topic like this at all, but Mr. Binney meets our notability qualifications better than most, and he has the support today of a US Senate candidate. Consequently, we think it’s important we offer them this platform to share their views. That being said, we have a policy against disinformation being shared on this subreddit: we won’t hesitate to remove harmful disinformation if posted by the OP or users, particularly if it’s harmful to innocent people or spreads incorrect information about elections and voting. We also encourage all users and AMA participants to review Reddit’s site-wide rules carefully before posting - it would be quite easy to let this AMA venture into territory that would get it shut down by the Reddit Safety teams. > > EDIT: OP is making very bold claims with insufficient proof. This AMA has devolved into a significant vector for disinformation. We have removed and locked it.

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#46

I think I will cancel my monthly support for Reddit, partly over this and partly because I find it less valuable than Twitter and HN and don't visit that often anymore. BTW, in general I support whistle blowers - they play an important part in free and open governments. I have heard Bill Binney before and thought that his experience and opinions were interesting.

It looks to me like this thread was shut down by the AMA mods, not reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/igeixp/i_am_william_b...

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#47
post #2

"I have proof", but no proof is given. Perhaps Reddit is just trying to stop a misinformation campaign.

According to the subreddit mods:

> EDIT: OP is making very bold claims with insufficient proof. This AMA has devolved into a significant vector for disinformation. We have removed and locked it.

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#48
post #45

I looked at the linked thread and don't see anything to substantiate the claim in the title here. It looks to me like the thread was shut down by the AMA mods, not the Reddit Admins. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/igeixp/i_am_william_b... > While this is a fascinating topic from a notable public figure, the mod team would like to remind everyone not to believe everything they read on the internet. Normally, w…

Thank God those subreddit admins are keeping us safe from disinformation. We wouldn't want anyone to think.

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

#49
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this misinformation?

His evidence is incredibly flimsy at best and his point about transfer speeds is flat out wrong.

If it's misinformation then that means no one is allowed to view it out of curiosity? Surely if you watch misinformation with the prior knowledge that it is misinformation you aren't susceptible to said misinformation?

Re: Reddit Shuts Down AMA from Former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney

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post #44

The central component of the allegation that the DNC leak was an inside job as opposed to a hack has been repeated by writers at Consortium News and by journalist Patrick Lawrence: > Key among the findings of the independent forensic investigations is the conclusion that the DNC data was copied onto a storage device at a speed that far exceeds an Internet capability for a remote hack. Here's the article from Patrick…

It's not only the speed. All of the timestamps of the files are even numbers, which is indicative of a FAT file system. > "The directory entry for the FAT file system only has a 5-bit field for storing the number of seconds in the time. This limits the number stored in the field to the range 0-31, which is multiplied by two to obtain the number of seconds." The timestamps appear to have been copied to a FAT filesyste…

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