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Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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If twenty years of fighting banking websites has taught me anything, I'd never assume that the backend would "just work". In fact, if any bank decides to roll out a longer number scheme, I'd probably want to make sure that I wouldn't need their service for a few coming days, just to be safe.

Banking websites are not the backend. Backend here is what the card issuers do / how the payments are routed. The level of scrutiny between those is very different.

hope those custom XSL ISO 20022 phaser written by my colleagues would just work...

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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>the company decided to take makeshift measures such as reusing credit card numbers of discontinued cards after a certain period had passed since cardholders canceled their memberships. However, there are considerable risks of fraudulent usage What are the risks here, and why aren't they already present by someone generating credit card numbers with a RNG? AFAIK credit card transactions are authenticated by at least…

Credit card numbers can be easily generated, there are tons of generators online.

The right solution is not to have a number that you give out to random people who then gain access to your money. Also the righ way is not to trust the few giant credit card corporations to move all the money in the world

The right way (EU is introducing it) is that you get a payment request that you can paste into your bank app and there authorize it. See SEPA or PSD2

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

#93
post #38

Something not clear from the article: The tech already supports longer numbers. Diners, Discover, UnionPay cards already allow up to 19 digits officially. The problem could be in the custom forms which think 4x4 is the right format, but the back-end should "just work" with them. What I really don't understand is why the article makes it seem like a national problem given the prefix is assigned to the companies, rathe…

I’ve run into multiple issues already with poorly designed forms on sites that claim to accept Amex that freak out when I enter my 15-digit card number, I would love to see the mess that adding longer numbers would cause.

Or forms that accept the 15 digit Amex number, but then freak out when there's a 4 digit cvv :|

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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We should. There are so many adults who think it's cute to make up their own phonetics not realizing the whole purpose is to reduce ambiguity, not make it fun to spell things aloud.

As an adult who tries to remember the NATO phonetic alphabet but can't because I only use it once per month, I don't make up words "for fun" or "to be cute". I do it because I can't remember the NATO word. Compared to just saying the letters, the words I choose certainly do reduce ambiguity, even if using the NATO alphabet would go even further.

This is mostly fine if only done for ambiguous letters and if the understanding is that it is done to reduce ambiguity. There is a contingent of people who painstakingly spell out every letter with a phonetic from their own system and it requires the listener to do a lot more decoding to the point of actually increasing ambiguity. "My name is Michelle that's M/N as in Nail/Mail! I as in Icecream! ..." Nichelle is confused about why we use words to spell out certain letters.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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>the company decided to take makeshift measures such as reusing credit card numbers of discontinued cards after a certain period had passed since cardholders canceled their memberships. However, there are considerable risks of fraudulent usage What are the risks here, and why aren't they already present by someone generating credit card numbers with a RNG? AFAIK credit card transactions are authenticated by at least…

Credit card numbers can be easily generated, there are tons of generators online. The right solution is not to have a number that you give out to random people who then gain access to your money. Also the righ way is not to trust the few giant credit card corporations to move all the money in the world The right way (EU is introducing it) is that you get a payment request that you can paste into your bank app and the…

That doesn't sound like a great design from a UX/speed perspective. Is it better than it sounds?

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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post #6

Assuming the last digit is a checksum and the first six are taken by the routing information, that leaves them 9 digits or a billion possible numbers per credit card issuer. Japan has a population of about 125 million. Are Japanese people cycling their numbers so frequently? Or are they big on ephemeral card numbers? Is it not possible for an issuer to get a second prefix if they run out of digits? I also wonder if c…

> Assuming the last digit is a checksum and the first six are taken by the routing information, that leaves them 9 digits or a billion possible numbers per credit card issuer. Japan has a population of about 125 million. Are Japanese people cycling their numbers so frequently? Or are they big on ephemeral card numbers?

Credit cards - and payment methods generally - are in their Cambrian explosion phase right now in Japan, particularly given the pandemic. Every company, big or small, is pushing their own. I recently had to open a new credit card because the gym I wanted to join only accepts payment via their partnered credit cards. It came with a linked electronic money card (as well as having native integration for a different electronic money format) that has what looks like its own 16 digit credit card number, presumably for internal payment infrastructure reasons, and an offer to apply for a separate linked credit card for shopping in China, three other kinds of linked electronic money cards (one for a supermarket chain, one for a local transport network)...

Every shopping mall is pushing their card. My phone provider offered two olympic tie-in cards and a regular version (that would actually save me money if I could face going through the application). A theatre troupe I follow has a deep partnership with a card issuer and has their own branded cards. Bands have their own cards. Virtually any outfit with a loyalty/membership card is trying to turn it into a credit card. And so people can easily have multiple cards that they never use, because their loyalty card became a credit card but they're still only using it as a loyalty card.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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>the company decided to take makeshift measures such as reusing credit card numbers of discontinued cards after a certain period had passed since cardholders canceled their memberships. However, there are considerable risks of fraudulent usage What are the risks here, and why aren't they already present by someone generating credit card numbers with a RNG? AFAIK credit card transactions are authenticated by at least…

What if they switched CC numbers TO IPV6 addresses? Insane or genius?

> What if they switched CC numbers TO IPV6 addresses? Insane or genius?

Depends upon how it is implemented as could go full on 1984 very fast without that ever being intended.

The whole aspect of a static fixed CC number you share with people is what really needs to change. A One Time CC per transaction would be more useful and negates many potential issues in a way that protects the customer and in turn the bank itself.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit card numbers can be easily generated, there are tons of generators online. The right solution is not to have a number that you give out to random people who then gain access to your money. Also the righ way is not to trust the few giant credit card corporations to move all the money in the world The right way (EU is introducing it) is that you get a payment request that you can paste into your bank app and the…

That doesn't sound like a great design from a UX/speed perspective. Is it better than it sounds?

That isn't specific EU regulations. SEPA is both the way payments are cleared and EU rules so works cross boarder. It is the foundation (interbank infra) upon which PSD2 layers a requirement for what amounts to having APIs, and a requirement to make the API open-access, in the sense they can't privilege their own systems over these APIs. They solved (or at least it seems like they might) one of the bigger blockers of building fintech solutions: a level playing ground.

Re: Japan facing credit card number shortage

#100
post #60

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They would need to EOL over-the-phone payments to do this. People have horrible diction and it's hard to tell the difference between b, c, d, and e when a particularly lazy lipped person says these letters (in addition to non-hex letters like g, p, t, and v). Then they use their own ambiguous phonetic system (b as in ball, c as in call, d as in doll will confuse anyone trying to distinguish between the three). Oh and…

DTMF is actually 16 digits: 1 2 3 A 4 5 6 B 7 8 9 C * 0 # D. While most keypads don't have A B C D buttons, * and # are pretty much everywhere, and easy to distinguish, so adopting base-12 would be relatively easy.

Shhhhhh no more credit cards by phone :)
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