This is a fascinating look inside the academic system. Eric, a question if I may: Is there room for a modern PhD that values breadth over depth? The goal of completing a Ph.D. program is to become the most knowledgable person in the world about a specific topic. While this is a valuable goal for disciplines that reward specialization, it does not provide enough flexibility for autodidacts with a range of interests. A…
Syllabus for Eric's PhD Students
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#52For those who don't know like myself, I'm pretty confident "Eric" is Dr. Eric Gilbert, current associate professor at the University of Michigan and former lead of the comp.social lab at Georgia Tech. His personal website is here: http://eegilbert.org
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Nooo :-) If you find yourself in a PhD program with an advisor who thinks like the above, it's really important to not internalize their viewpoint. It's not a job. A job would pay much better! It's not your advisors money, and they aren't paying you to advance their career. Independence is critical, but so that you can avoid becoming someone else's cheap labor, and can instead focus on doing work that educates you an…
Hard disagree. I made every possible mistake that can be made related to being too idealistic about grad school; for example, I believed: - My advisor and collaborators have my best interests at heart - My primary role in graduate school is to develop novel, useful, reproducible ideas - Grants, fellowships, and stipends are generous donations freely given in order to enable the above - Quality is more important than…
There are two kinds of advisers I think are missing in your analysis. First, are the idealists, the probably newly minted professors who view there students fondly and their mentorship responsibilities very seriously. These are bad for you too, because you need to be pushed to obtain results on occasion, you can't always have someone who is feeling guilty about their own efforts and not being straight with you about your weakness.
Second, is, in my opinion, the ideal adviser. One who views the relationship as an apprenticeship more so then a manager/employee or mentor/mentee. An apprentice has to learn the craft, but they're still producing work for the artisan (adviser). If the student fucks something up they need to be told, because learning the craft is the highest priority.
The "manager" type of adviser is in my opinion the worst. A good manager is only a useful adviser if a PhD is otherwise a waste of time for you anyway (because you already can do research). Moreover, most manager-types are bad at being managers as well, compounding the horrible situation.
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I have seen a trend in UK PhDs in the last 10 years or so to include much more of the "practical skills" type work. There's certainly been a big push around the "Researcher Development Framework" [0]. I would say that there's no one-size fits all for a PhD, but that I think something PhD students need taught how to do early on is identify their own development needs, and either address them, or seek the support to do…
> I have seen a trend in UK PhDs in the last 10 years or so to include much more of the "practical skills" type work. Gah I think this is a terrible idea. In practice it means courses that aren't really relevant to anyone that you have to take when you really want to be getting on with your research. Everyone's putting in minimum effort and getting nothing out of it. What a waste of time. They're also taught by peopl…
I definitely don't like the trend towards the 4 year PhD with taught courses in year 1 though - I had enough time in 3 years to mess around on side projects and other things I didn't need, but which were fun and interesting, even if irrelevant. When you add the inevitable consulting and startup advice on the side, it seems to me 3 years should really be the upper bound, rather than extending the process any further.
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Hard disagree. I made every possible mistake that can be made related to being too idealistic about grad school; for example, I believed: - My advisor and collaborators have my best interests at heart - My primary role in graduate school is to develop novel, useful, reproducible ideas - Grants, fellowships, and stipends are generous donations freely given in order to enable the above - Quality is more important than…
I think your perspective is very pragmatic and reasonable. However, I think it still highlights only the _worst_ kinds of advisers, and if we're talking about looking out for your own self interests, then picking a good adviser is your highest priority. There are two kinds of advisers I think are missing in your analysis. First, are the idealists, the probably newly minted professors who view there students fondly an…
My advisor was definitely one of the "idealists". I was his first graduate student. He always treated me well, with respect and reasonable expectations, and we are friends to this day. He did have some of the weaknesses you mention. He looked out for me as well as could reasonably be expected, but he did occasionally throw me to the wolves if the stakes were high enough -- for example, if we had a collaborator who was giving us substantial money, and they asked me to do the impossible or the unreasonable, he'd tell me to grin and bear it, and do my best, rather than informing the collaborator about reality.
In short, he was way above average, but still, his interests and mine occasionally came into conflict. But it can get so much worse -- I have seen numerous graduate students and postdocs absolutely exploited (department chairs and big shots are the most frequent offenders), and the most vulnerable targets were always those who assumed that we are all but brothers-in-arms in the great Scientific Enterprise.
What I mean to say is that even if a grad student lucks into or intelligently selects a good advisor, idealism is still a problem because as your collaborations and career expand, the probability approaches 1 that you will run into someone who will absolutely exploit you if given the chance. Someone who has enough leverage on an otherwise good advisor can also exploit a student by proxy. Students should be prepared for this inevitability.
In my view, when we read a document like the OP, what we are mainly getting is a window into how a PI likes to view himself -- i.e., the benevolent master lovingly and altruistically shepherding his apprentices into independence -- rather than any relevant form of reality. I'm sure OP came by this delusion honestly, but one of the primary qualifications to become a PI is the ability to spin, and no one is easier to spin than oneself.
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> we need to teach students about project management, planning etc. This is a problem with education in general. Those things should be taught in middle/high school as essential tools for modern life. Same as personal finances, effective strategies for team/group work, overcoming social anxiety, managing stress and building/maintaining relationships (personal and professional).
Couldn’t agree more. Instead of learning those things in school. I got lucky and had privilege and learned some of them outside of school, and still need to learn others. But instead, they made sure I knew the name of the boats Columbus sailed in, in 1492. The Niña the Pinta, and the Santa Maria. I was forced to submit to whatever story they told me about the relationship between Columbus and the natives, no matter h…
It also makes that, “what have you been doing for the last five months?” question a lot less uncomfortable to answer.
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#58I will just offer some unsolicited advice about PhDs, as it came up a few weeks ago also. And the author touches on this. Of course this mostly applies to empirical sciences, but maybe some theoretical ones too. An effective PhD advisor/thesis isn't wandering the woods to find something. It's a guided coaching exercise, with an outcome in mind. Test whether the PhD advisor you select knows this and has a history of t…
> Concretely, even if you don't know what the answer is going to be at the end of your research, you must think about, or have an idea about, the format of what that amazing answer is going to be. Write the outline of your thesis and "ghost out" what the major charts will be. Write the intro sentences of each chapter -- what are they? (and I don't just mean the boring review of the field part, but your findings part)…
I actually agree with your immediate statement here, but that is not at all what I understood the OP to be saying. I read their "You should know what major type of finding..." argument as being one of starting with a concrete and well-formed research question, and carrying out carefully designed experiments, and thought that it was excellent advice.
In my little corner of computer science, I very frequently see people (at all stages in their scientific careers) start working on some new bit of research by a) getting a bunch of data, which they then b) feed into some nifty model du jour, and then c) spend a ton of time overcoming all manner of technical trials and tribulations, then finally d) get a number out the other side. They then e) find themselves totally stuck when it comes to actually interpreting their result, because before they ran their "experiment" they hadn't actually bothered to formulate a concrete hypothesis, and so it's not clear what they are supposed to _do_ with their shiny new number, or where to go next.
That's what people often don't get about science, whether it's wet or dry. The mechanical process of actually performing the experiment itself is usually the easy part, relatively speaking. The hard part is thinking carefully about the thing you're trying to study, formulating a theory, coming up with testable hypotheses, and designing experiments to perform those tests.
Part of that last phase involves planning ahead very carefully to what you're going to measure, what your control and intervention criteria will be, what specific statistical analysis you'll perform on the resulting data, and what your various interpretations will be. The more concrete and explicit you can make this, the better: "We're going to measure 'X' under conditions 'A' and 'B', because we think that 'X' will be a valid/useful measure of $PHENOMENON_WE_CARE_ABOUT, for reasons ____, ____, and ____. If X_A ends up being bigger than X_B, our interpretation will be ______, and if X_B is bigger than X_A, we will instead conclude ______'; if they are the same, that will suggest ______." [1]
Obviously you don't yet _know_ which of those conclusions you'll be drawing (if you did, it wouldn't be an experiment), but it is absolutely essential that you've gamed out the various possibilities to at least this level of detail _before_ you do the experiment. This is doubly true for exploratory analyses where you don't really have an intuition about what the outcome will be, as it helps keep the analysis from turning into an endless fishing expedition ("Well, what if I normalize this variable _this_ way? OK, what about _that_ way? ...").
In my experience, one of the best techniques for doing this is, yes, to actually write out blank versions of the tables that you think you'll need to tell the story of your experiment ahead of time, and to make dummy sketches of the various figures you'll need to help interpret the data. Not only will this help you clarify your thinking about what you are hoping to learn from doing the experiment, it has the added benefit of making sure that whatever code you write actually logs/outputs all of the needed data elements! More than once I've had to re-do an experiment because there was an important piece of data that I hadn't realized I would need until it was time to do the analysis. With just a bit more prior preparation, that poor performance would have been prevented.
To return to the OP's argument, they weren't saying that you should pre-specify your conclusions (which would be a terrible idea, for the reasons that you clearly spell out in your post). They were saying that you should have a plan about what specific experiments you're going to run and _how_ you're going to describe the motivation and results of those experiments.
And, if I may editorialize for a moment here, having a more structured approach to doing and writing about research can go a long way to helping to reduce the angst that comes with doing a PhD. I do very much think that many CS PhD programs are dropping the ball in terms of teaching experimental design and evaluation- but that is a rant for another time, as my TED talk today is already running long enough. :-D
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1: Very, very, very often, the process of formulating things this way takes several iterations, because usually once one is forced to write it out this explicitly, all sorts of little questions pop up- "Wait, is that actually what it will mean if X_A > X_B? What if means ____ instead? Hmmm... maybe I should be measuring X', instead? Oh, I'll need different data, in that case, because..."
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As a rising 5th year PhD in ML -- I could not agree with this advice more! I have very hands-off advisors. I spent the first 3 years "wandering the woods to find something". Last year, I really had to sit down and think about how I can finish up my PhD on time. I pretty much did what you outline here. A lot of tools I used were organization tools I learned from my business school/product manager friends. I honestly t…
> we need to teach students about project management, planning etc. This is a problem with education in general. Those things should be taught in middle/high school as essential tools for modern life. Same as personal finances, effective strategies for team/group work, overcoming social anxiety, managing stress and building/maintaining relationships (personal and professional).
One thing that (many) academics lack is project management skills. This is why many (that I know) sit on a desk, with a mountain of papers, having a thousand things unfinished. Try doing that in an actual business and see how it plays out..
Being a good teacher doesn't make you a good project manager.