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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Epic is just the new gang in town establishing themselves while trying to get some shops under their control, by playing being against the long time block owners.

yes but you can't pre-bust monopolies.

apple's market position is causing higher prices for consumers. therefore it should be busted.

we just need to keep the same standard (or better: make it more strict; apple has been abusive for a long time) for when epic becomes the monopoly.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #19

Epic is just the new gang in town establishing themselves while trying to get some shops under their control, by playing being against the long time block owners.

Even if that's the case, a legal and economics competition between those block owners sounds like a positive thing! A more dynamic market is what I want as a developer and consumer.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they revoked Epic's developer account. if Epic is restricted from getting the tools needed to further develop Unreal Engine, that effectively prevents Epic from doing further development on it.

Aren’t the tools freely available without a developer account?

The tools are. On-device testing isn't.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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A victory for sanity. Apple threatening developmental licenses and anyone who used the Unreal Engine was nothing short of mafia-esque, and just as obviously Fortnite being restored to the app store is a matter for Epic's lawsuit against apple.

Huh, Apple said it would disable Epic's developer accounts? They never threatened anyone using Unreal Engine, and I don't believe they specified UE Developer accounts. We can only speculate that UE Developer accounts would have been terminated as we don't really know if Apple was going to terminate those too as they belong to a separate company according to the court documents.

Blocking Epic from developing Unreal Engine is a threat to anyone using it.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

I only do a handful of things on my phone, and I need it to do those things reliably. My new laptop, on the other hand, opens with a Philips head screwdriver and almost everything can be replaced or upgraded. Different priorities for different needs.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not a single other developer using UE was targeted directly by Apple. But indirectly. If Epic doesn't have a developer license anymore, they cannot reasonably support their clients in implementing UE on any Apple hardware (and, depending on the licensing terms, they may not even legally support it...).

That's not true. Epic which developers Fortnite isn't the same holding company which developers UE. If Epic's game developers accounts are closed it should have no affect to the Epic accounts for UE. * Epic Games, Inc. develops Fortnite and has an Apple developer account that it is released under. * Epic Games International, S.a.r.l. develops Unreal Engine and holds its own Apple developer account. So if the accounts…

But it is effectively the same company though; controlled by the same principals.

That would be like Google in Mountain View claiming that they don't avoid paying tax and they are the good guys, but Google SA Netherlands & Ireland who are the assholes who scam countries out of their share of tax revenue (The Dutch Irish sandwich tax loophole that they use).

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not a single other developer using UE was targeted directly by Apple. But indirectly. If Epic doesn't have a developer license anymore, they cannot reasonably support their clients in implementing UE on any Apple hardware (and, depending on the licensing terms, they may not even legally support it...).

That's not true. Epic which developers Fortnite isn't the same holding company which developers UE. If Epic's game developers accounts are closed it should have no affect to the Epic accounts for UE. * Epic Games, Inc. develops Fortnite and has an Apple developer account that it is released under. * Epic Games International, S.a.r.l. develops Unreal Engine and holds its own Apple developer account. So if the accounts…

This is a quote from the letter that Apple sent to Epic;

"If your membership is terminated, you may no longer submit apps to the App Store, and your apps still available for distribution will be removed. You will also lose access to the following programs, technologies, and capabilities:"

[...]

"- Engineering efforts to improve hardware and software performance of Unreal Engine on Mac and iOS hardware; optimize Unreal Engine on the Mac for creative workflows, virtual sets and their CI/Build Systems; and adoption and support of ARKit features and future VR features into Unreal Engine by their XR team"

That is a statement that Apple made saying they will stop all help they give to Epic getting UE running on all Apple hardware. With the other stuff in the letter it makes it very clear that the problem is not just one for Epic Games, but all of Epic.

You can read it yourself - https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/epic-v-apple-8-17-20-768927327... (Apple's letter starts on page 51 of the PDF)

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not a single other developer using UE was targeted directly by Apple. But indirectly. If Epic doesn't have a developer license anymore, they cannot reasonably support their clients in implementing UE on any Apple hardware (and, depending on the licensing terms, they may not even legally support it...).

That's not true. Epic which developers Fortnite isn't the same holding company which developers UE. If Epic's game developers accounts are closed it should have no affect to the Epic accounts for UE. * Epic Games, Inc. develops Fortnite and has an Apple developer account that it is released under. * Epic Games International, S.a.r.l. develops Unreal Engine and holds its own Apple developer account. So if the accounts…

Yes, Epic Games International's accounts were (threatened to be) closed. Yes, it was wrong of Apple to threaten that.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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I still wonder why so many people buy devices, where the only software you could run has to be approved by the manufacturer. I think we should speak more about this fact, so that people think twice before they buy some device. I only make websites, but I am worried, that at some point, Apple would want me to pay them, so that my website is openable on their devices.

Lack of realistic choice. If you are the average consumer looking to buy a smartphone, you have the choice of either Android or Apple. You get more choice with a PC, to an extent - the average consumer is going to get to choose between Microsoft, something like a chromebook, or apple. (Most folks buy mainstream, widely available products that work out of the box). I'm not sure the market for non-standard products is that high. A non-significant number of folks wouldn't put anything on their computer that hasn't been approved for fear of "bad things".

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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post #18

https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/24/fortnite-ban-unreal-engine-ap... Non techcrunch link (as I can't access those with ublock/cookie wall blocker)

always use http://cachedview.nl/ to see blocked sites

How have I never heard of this site before? Thanks!!
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