Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
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Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#2Sorry the Bloomberg link showed me a purported recent picture of Celine Dion and I found it hard to concentrate.
Seriously, we the people need to force Apple and Google to authorize qualified third-party app stores and open source the minimum level of development tools to support the hardware, even if they decide to never sell another device again. “It’s just that simple.” (Yeah, I know Google already voluntarily does this, but why target Apple —this should apply to any other manufacturer that mass-produces and “corners” the unsuspecting public market with proprietary systems, even automotive entertainment units.)
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#3Sorry the Bloomberg link showed me a purported recent picture of Celine Dion and I found it hard to concentrate. Seriously, we the people need to force Apple and Google to authorize qualified third-party app stores and open source the minimum level of development tools to support the hardware, even if they decide to never sell another device again. “It’s just that simple.” (Yeah, I know Google already voluntarily doe…
The fact that you say “force Apple” is really all there is to know. Apple isn’t the boogeyman here. Ruf had it US coming and the judge clearly sees it too.
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#4Sorry the Bloomberg link showed me a purported recent picture of Celine Dion and I found it hard to concentrate. Seriously, we the people need to force Apple and Google to authorize qualified third-party app stores and open source the minimum level of development tools to support the hardware, even if they decide to never sell another device again. “It’s just that simple.” (Yeah, I know Google already voluntarily doe…
The fact that you say “force Apple” is really all there is to know. Apple isn’t the boogeyman here. Ruf had it US coming and the judge clearly sees it too.
You can already authorize an arbitrary third party Android app to act as an app store, the only thing stopping you is your own decision making. Can't do that with iOS. You can even build your own AOSP device from scratch if you feel like, and it would be completely compatible with everything in the Android ecosystem (assuming you did a good job). If one party is making an effort to support open software lifecycles, while another is actively trying to inhibit them, isn't it the government's job to step in and correct? If not, why do we even put up with government in the first place?
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that you say “force Apple” is really all there is to know. Apple isn’t the boogeyman here. Ruf had it US coming and the judge clearly sees it too.
You can already authorize an arbitrary third party Android app to act as an app store, the only thing stopping you is your own decision making. Can't do that with iOS. You can even build your own AOSP device from scratch if you feel like, and it would be completely compatible with everything in the Android ecosystem (assuming you did a good job). If one party is making an effort to support open software lifecycles, w…
Well, that only happens if Apple is deemed a monopoly. A non-monopoly can do whatever it wants with its store. It will take years for anything to happen, look how long it took Microsoft back in the 90s.
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can already authorize an arbitrary third party Android app to act as an app store, the only thing stopping you is your own decision making. Can't do that with iOS. You can even build your own AOSP device from scratch if you feel like, and it would be completely compatible with everything in the Android ecosystem (assuming you did a good job). If one party is making an effort to support open software lifecycles, w…
Well, that only happens if Apple is deemed a monopoly. A non-monopoly can do whatever it wants with its store. It will take years for anything to happen, look how long it took Microsoft back in the 90s.
The judge is already leaning in the direction of monopoly, she sees no competition (and deliberate acts to block competition) to the App Store on the iPhone itself. Quoting her comments to Apple's counsel:
"There is no competition. The question is, without competition, where does the 30 percent (App Store commission) come from? Why isn't it 10? 20? How is the consumer benefiting from, you (Apple) get to say what you want it to be?" she asked.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/judge-inclined-to-block-apple...
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#7Sorry the Bloomberg link showed me a purported recent picture of Celine Dion and I found it hard to concentrate. Seriously, we the people need to force Apple and Google to authorize qualified third-party app stores and open source the minimum level of development tools to support the hardware, even if they decide to never sell another device again. “It’s just that simple.” (Yeah, I know Google already voluntarily doe…
The fact that you say “force Apple” is really all there is to know. Apple isn’t the boogeyman here. Ruf had it US coming and the judge clearly sees it too.
“Force X” in the context of a discussion on reasonable industry regulation is a way to frame any action in the direction of positive liberty for the public at-large as one of government overreach or having ones’ basic rights eroded.
...which completely disregards any actions by the offending party that put us in this situation in the first place.
Yes, Apple should be “forced” to allow for App Store competition on iOS, iPad OS, and probably tvOS too - the same way that I am “forced” to give a portion of my personal income to the IRS - or how I am “forced” to keep my MP3 rips of copyrighted music CDs private and away from my friends who I would love to share my musical tastes with.
Apple isn’t a person. Despite /Citizens United/ I don’t believe Apple has any inherent or inalienable rights that should somehow be “protected”.
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that you say “force Apple” is really all there is to know. Apple isn’t the boogeyman here. Ruf had it US coming and the judge clearly sees it too.
You can already authorize an arbitrary third party Android app to act as an app store, the only thing stopping you is your own decision making. Can't do that with iOS. You can even build your own AOSP device from scratch if you feel like, and it would be completely compatible with everything in the Android ecosystem (assuming you did a good job). If one party is making an effort to support open software lifecycles, w…
> You can already authorize an arbitrary third party Android app to act as an app store
Apps installed with it cannot auto update without rooting your device. Rooting breaks many things (on purpose). Defeats much of reason for store vs side loading.
> and it would be completely compatible with everything in the Android ecosystem
Definitely not. You would never pass "safetynet" anti-root checks. An alarming number of Android apps no longer run on AOSP. Only on Android devices unaltered and locked at bootloader level. Google recently upgraded these root checks to be "unbreakable" by using TrustZone.
Android started out much more open, but big G is slowly choking it off. Having the core OS open source is pointless if nothing runs on it. And we're slowly getting there
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, that only happens if Apple is deemed a monopoly. A non-monopoly can do whatever it wants with its store. It will take years for anything to happen, look how long it took Microsoft back in the 90s.
The judge is already leaning in the direction of monopoly, she sees no competition (and deliberate acts to block competition) to the App Store on the iPhone itself. Quoting her comments to Apple's counsel: "There is no competition. The question is, without competition, where does the 30 percent (App Store commission) come from? Why isn't it 10? 20? How is the consumer benefiting from, you (Apple) get to say what you…
The actual trial is not gonna happen any time soon, this is only for an emergency injunction to stop Apple from cutting Epic access to Apple Development tools. Watching the whole thing it's likely Fortnite will be off the App Store for the time being, and Epic will be able to continue to support Unreal Engine.
Re: Apple Judge ‘Inclined’ to Unblock Epic’s Unreal Engine but Not Fortnite
#10Sorry the Bloomberg link showed me a purported recent picture of Celine Dion and I found it hard to concentrate. Seriously, we the people need to force Apple and Google to authorize qualified third-party app stores and open source the minimum level of development tools to support the hardware, even if they decide to never sell another device again. “It’s just that simple.” (Yeah, I know Google already voluntarily doe…
The fact that you say “force Apple” is really all there is to know. Apple isn’t the boogeyman here. Ruf had it US coming and the judge clearly sees it too.
FRAND licensing for patents is also 'forcing'. In fact the two situations have a lot in common.