I've been using RSSHub and it's GREAT.
It surprises me that people here fount it out so late. The project has been quite popular for years.
RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
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Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> RSS / web feeds are a bit hard to grok for the average user. I think basically you want reddit's early marketing, "the front page of the web". Except it's your front page. It's a feed where you can go to see the latest stuff from everywhere you're interested in, rather than having to check each site individually. Like how one's reddit home page shows posts from all the different subreddits to which one is subscribe…
Browsers used to have RSS built in — I forget when Safari removed its reader. But you’re right about that button... something that glows when a feed is present. The current UX, at least on my iPhone, is that I go to a site that looks like it _probably_ has a feed, and then I use the share sheet to push that URL to NetNewsWire. Then RSS auto-discovery takes over. But there are a growing number of sites that look like…
> Browsers used to have RSS built in
Yes, but just having that button isn't enough. Consider: I'm someone who understands the benefits of RSS, and despite seeing that button for years, I rarely clicked it, and mostly wasn't sure what to do after I did click it. Because that button showed you the feed, but the browser didn't really have a centralized reader built-in (that I remember, anyway, and if I couldn't find it then you bet the average user can't, either). There's a big difference between just showing the feed and having an "Add stories from {{newspaper}} to my home page" button.
Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
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I completely agree genmon! RSS / web feeds are a bit hard to grok for the average user. My belief is that, in order for RSS / ATOM to really catch on, we need to completely abstract those concepts for the end-user. In my opinion, getting people to care about RSS / ATOM is like getting them to care about HTTP. They do not care about the actual mechanisms - only the end result. That being said, I think all we're missin…
> RSS / web feeds are a bit hard to grok for the average user. I think basically you want reddit's early marketing, "the front page of the web". Except it's your front page. It's a feed where you can go to see the latest stuff from everywhere you're interested in, rather than having to check each site individually. Like how one's reddit home page shows posts from all the different subreddits to which one is subscribe…
nailed it on the head with that reddit analogy.
unfortunately, I think browsers will continue to be locked down for the foreseeable future. given the locked-down nature of the app store as well, I think our best bet is building an open source, web-based RSS feed.
Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> RSS / web feeds are a bit hard to grok for the average user. I think basically you want reddit's early marketing, "the front page of the web". Except it's your front page. It's a feed where you can go to see the latest stuff from everywhere you're interested in, rather than having to check each site individually. Like how one's reddit home page shows posts from all the different subreddits to which one is subscribe…
Browsers used to have RSS built in — I forget when Safari removed its reader. But you’re right about that button... something that glows when a feed is present. The current UX, at least on my iPhone, is that I go to a site that looks like it _probably_ has a feed, and then I use the share sheet to push that URL to NetNewsWire. Then RSS auto-discovery takes over. But there are a growing number of sites that look like…
I think history has shown us that there's no use in hoping from change on the browser or OS side. Unless new competitors come in, it seems the majority of people are stuck with Chrome / Firefox / Safari.
On top of that, a big problem with they are walled gardens as well. Some support exporting easy enough, but we've seen firsthand what happens when big readers (google reader, etc) go down.
That being said, I think our best hope is to create an open-source, web-based reader.
raw feeds are one of the last bastions of freedom on the internet, and we can't afford to keep building them on bad foundations.
If I had to imagine it from the ground up, I'm picturing a desktop-esque environment running straight from the browser. almost like google's environment, to be honest. There could be full-blown search, email, news, etc; but they are all intertwined by the ability to 'subscribe' to any of these results, and have them piped right into your homepage.
Sort of like smichel said above, a true front page of the internet, but your front page.
Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I completely agree genmon! RSS / web feeds are a bit hard to grok for the average user. My belief is that, in order for RSS / ATOM to really catch on, we need to completely abstract those concepts for the end-user. In my opinion, getting people to care about RSS / ATOM is like getting them to care about HTTP. They do not care about the actual mechanisms - only the end result. That being said, I think all we're missin…
Absolutely agree. What’s unusually about the feed ecosystem is that it was once popular, and now it’s present but nobody really understands it. Like, Wordpress sites are 30% of the web and they have RSS by default... but are the site owners really aware? It would be a hard push to get any of them to change. And, for most technologies, the existing users are the best word of mouth evangelists. But here, the existing u…
RSS was a perfect example of the tail wagging the dog.
it never caught on because it was a protocol. not a product. and yet stubborn users for years insisted otherwise.
it's like if the internet did not have a browser; only a textfield to input urls. who would use that?
Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#76I'm pleased to see renewed interest in RSS (web feeds generally). But my concern is that, for first time users, the onboarding process is too complex. There are too many unexplained steps, and the benefits are unclear. A plug for my own answer to this: I recently launched https://aboutfeeds.com -- a one pager "getting started" guide aimed at first-time users of web feeds/RSS. The goal is to have it linked next to eve…
I was surprised to see that this page itself doesn’t have an RSS feed to follow updates.
Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#77I'm pleased to see renewed interest in RSS (web feeds generally). But my concern is that, for first time users, the onboarding process is too complex. There are too many unexplained steps, and the benefits are unclear. A plug for my own answer to this: I recently launched https://aboutfeeds.com -- a one pager "getting started" guide aimed at first-time users of web feeds/RSS. The goal is to have it linked next to eve…
Hey, looks like you had a very similar idea to me! https://www.youneedfeeds.com/ Though you've gone for the 'simple one-pager' approach where I tried to sell people on it via a full site. I was going to do a visual revamp sometime soon, hopefully include more readers etc but time has been an issue.
But neither of your websites have a section for website authors!
Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
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I think this is bullshit. It's like saying, "I'm not racist, my friend Bob is black." You don't get a "get outta jail free" card for saying "I love CHinese people" and "oorah for China devs" and then heaping shit all over their country's achievements the rest of the time. Do people who say this think they understand China or Chinese people even a little bit?
> and then heaping shit all over their country's achievements the rest of the time. I didn't say that anywhere. China's achieved a lot, in amazing ways. My comment said nothing about that. > Do people who say this think they understand China or Chinese people even a little bit? - Have you been to China, invited by their government in an official delegation and seen first-hand the mob-like lack of distinction between…
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Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is bullshit. It's like saying, "I'm not racist, my friend Bob is black." You don't get a "get outta jail free" card for saying "I love CHinese people" and "oorah for China devs" and then heaping shit all over their country's achievements the rest of the time. Do people who say this think they understand China or Chinese people even a little bit?
> and then heaping shit all over their country's achievements the rest of the time. I didn't say that anywhere. China's achieved a lot, in amazing ways. My comment said nothing about that. > Do people who say this think they understand China or Chinese people even a little bit? - Have you been to China, invited by their government in an official delegation and seen first-hand the mob-like lack of distinction between…
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Re: RSSHub: Everything Is RSSible
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is bullshit. It's like saying, "I'm not racist, my friend Bob is black." You don't get a "get outta jail free" card for saying "I love CHinese people" and "oorah for China devs" and then heaping shit all over their country's achievements the rest of the time. Do people who say this think they understand China or Chinese people even a little bit?
> and then heaping shit all over their country's achievements the rest of the time. I didn't say that anywhere. China's achieved a lot, in amazing ways. My comment said nothing about that. > Do people who say this think they understand China or Chinese people even a little bit? - Have you been to China, invited by their government in an official delegation and seen first-hand the mob-like lack of distinction between…
Triggered sounds like irrational and unhinged so...if it's what you need to say about other people's views to (in your mind) censor them and protect your own views, I get it, but I'm afraid it makes you a less trustworthy assessor!
It sounds like you've confused "identity" with opinion. I wasn't saying, "you are bullshit", and I'm sorry that you seem to have taken it like that. I was saying "I think that (view you write) is bullshit". I wasn't trying to offend you.
But also, to assume that had I had the experiences you list, I would arrive at your conclusion is incredibly narrow minded (and, to be honest, arrogant), and makes me trust even less that you would be able to see beyond the nose of your existing biases and consider others with different views... Because it's a big world out there, plenty of room for differences of opinion and experience.
The false dichotomy between "the Chinese state/government and the Chinese people" is a common Western propaganda tactic I've noticed to, exactly as I said, seem like you're not being racist when you are. And, unfortunately for you, god bless you, you've done exactly as I predicted, "I'm not racist because look at all the connections I have"
You didn't go on to criticize anything beside saying you don't "trust" the government, but I'm great at reading between the lines, and reading people and I know the type of argument you're hinting at and where it goes.
It reminds me that people don't hold these anti-China views from ignorance, simply because they've carried a Western-propaganda mindset into their own affairs. It seems like in your jaunts you forgot to check your pre-existing biases at the door/luggage-check counter.
Which, so far, has meant, not that you don't have enough experiences to think about and understand China, but only that you've so far failed to properly think about them, being blinded by your biases. So far, you've wasted those experiences you have by not yet thinking clearly about them. I'm not sure where you're from (and I don't care here because it doesn't matter, like it doesn't matter where I'm from or who I am, what matters is the quality of my thought and my ability to think clearly, critically and for myself, as I hope you can too), but here's a video of a white dude saying something that is mostly correct. I don't know him nor anything else about him but this is about right: